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royjp(at)yahoo.ca
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 Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: RE : Re: China products |
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No need for apologies Randy. What goes around, usually comes around. Reminds me of a time when almost everybody in America wanted to bannish all of Japanese products.
Let's carry on with Zenith discussion! No room for bigotry here !
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"Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com> a écrit :
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You're not guilty of anything Joe and keep your HF tools. The point is that you can't make a big point of swearing off Chinese tools and A/C parts while all the shoes your family wears, half your car parts, the Christmas lights decorating your home & tree, and a lot (not all) of the stuff sold at Wal-Mart and Kmart also comes from China.
We all need to brush up on economics. Go to economist www.walterewilliams.com and read everything on his site. If Harbor Freight's China foundry wants to cast a 55 lb. anvil out of mined cast iron, take a machining cut across the top, package it and ship it halfway around the world to sell to us for $24.95 on sale, it allows all of us to have a anvil in our shop.
The pendulum is actually swinging back our way. Price pressure is starting to affect Chinese products. For example; the Chinese produced a drill bit for one dollar three years ago when their workers made 33 cents a hour. Now high speed steel has doubled in price and although still cheap, their labor now costs 66 cents per hour. Yet they have trained the world to pay only one dollar for this drill bit. The price pressure causes them to try to hold that price so they try to cut everywhere else from materials to process with the result being quality suffers. Now the product that was of marginal quality is now unusable so if they fail every time you quit buying.
I have noticed this on industrial products. So for many items, I have quite buying imports and have started buying "made in USA" again.
Importing from China only pays if you are making a commodity type item in huge quantities, month after month, shipment after shipment. If you need a small variation from the norm, they aren't interested.
Have the Chinese jumped in and started making Jabiru engines?
I buy from HF all the time, but am very selective as to what I buy. Some items are pure junk, some are usable for very light duty, some actually work very well. A lot of their tools are good for very infrequent use. In the long run, they don't hold up.
HF sockets have worked well for me. Their wrenches are clumsy clubs. Their electric tools usually don't hold up and aren't that much cheaper than the major brands at Home Depot. Buy a set of their tru-arc ring pliers and the points may snap off with their first use. I bought a gear puller set and with the first use, I pulled the threads out of the center, no heat treatment I guess? I bought a auto-darkening welding helmet from them that works fine. Their air tools are competitive with other imports.
The whole picture is very complex and the above is a very quick overview of just a few aspects of the subject.
Regards and Apologies,
Randy, Las Vegas
P.S.: Wal-Mart sells a line of spray paint for $ .99 each. Made in USA! It includes: A metal can, a lithographed label, a plastic nozzle, a plastic cap, the paint, the propellant and a rattle ball along with American effort to put it all together. How can this be?
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dfmoeller
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Re: RE : Re: China products |
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On the contrary! Up until the suggestion below that somehow, an (up to this point, above board) discussion of the relative merits of an import based economy is somehow bigoted, this was a very relevant discussion, especially in the context that it started - Cessna's decision to build the 162 in china. The only bigotry involved is that I (and most everyone here) would rather see the other guys unemployed than ourselves. If anyone doesn't see how relevant my continued employment and prosperity within the overall US economy is to my ability to own and operate a Zenith aircraft, I just can't help you there.
I think this discussion should be REQUIRED on EVERY message board, not suppressed! If the self-appointed list moderators don't like it; then don't read it.
Or would you rather beat varieties of scotch-brite to death again?
Doug
[quote="royjp(at)yahoo.ca"]No need for apologies Randy. What goes around, usually comes around. Reminds me of a time when almost everybody in America wanted to bannish all of Japanese products.
Let's carry on with Zenith discussion! No room for bigotry here !
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