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fstringham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

I am now to the point of wiring up my dual p-mags per Z 13-8. I am not quite sure of connection points P-Mag to the S700-2-10 switch. As viewed from the screw side of the P-Mag plug they are numbered 1 through 6 Left to right according to the P-Mag install manual. So my question is on the Z13-8 diagram the green/orange/red /black would correspond to which numbers on P-mag install diagram. They have #1 black as the ground...#4 orange connects to your ignition ON/OFF (ground) p-lead switch....#5 red connects to your main 12 volt aircraft buss through a dedicated circuit breaker (not provided) using 18 gauge wire. E-MAGs should use a 5-amp

 

breaker, and P-MAGs should use a 3-amp switchable breaker.”6” green is a courtesy (optional) connection to provide a digital tack signal. 

  

So it appears to me the function/position of Z13-8 to P-Mag manual are the same the question in my mind is are the numbers the same????? as the water drips from behind my ear!!!!!!! 

  

Also Bob  is there any new info on the p-mag wiring potential changes................ 

  

Thanks inadvance for your help.  

  

Frank (at) sgu RV7A    light at the end of thwe tunnel...hopeing it isn't a big ole train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

  

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aurbo(at)ak.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

Frank,

  

 I wouldn't expect any answers back from Bob on  this question but here is the answer your looking for.

  

 #'s 1 & 4 are both grounds. The #1 grounds  to the panel, The #4 is the ground (kill) for the mag. 

  

 #5 is the red wire that goes to  power.

  

 # 6 is the org wire that gores to the  Tach.

  

 BUT: I would suggest you don't follow the Z-13  in wiring the E/P mags. The Emagair folks don't use that system why would you?  

  

 I started to use the Z figures to wire the E/P  mags and changed my mind. They are not wired the way the Emagair folks recommend  if you wire them that way. But it was hard to divert from using the Z figures as  I was attached to them But in this case the Z figure offers no advantage versus  using the Emagair system and is in fact more confusing, at least to me. The Z  figure uses the same parts count as the Emagair system and doesn't require a  "hidden" switch to disable the mags. The Emagair system just uses on off toggles  which are hard to screw up.

  

 Mike Ice

 baffles and cowling

  

  

  

  

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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

At 05:25 PM 12/9/2007 -0700, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

----------



  I am now to the point of wiring up my dual p-mags per Z 13-8. I am not 

 quite sure of connection points P-Mag to the S700-2-10 switch. As viewed 

 from the screw side of the P-Mag plug they are numbered 1 through 6 Left 

 to right according to the P-Mag install manual. So my question is on the 

 Z13-8 diagram the green/orange/red /black would correspond to which 

 numbers on P-mag install diagram. They have #1 black as the ground...#4 

 orange connects to your ignition ON/OFF (ground) p-lead switch.....#5 red 

 connects to your main 12 volt aircraft buss through a dedicated circuit 

 breaker (not provided) using 18 gauge wire. E-MAGs should use a 5-amp



breaker, and P-MAGs should use a 3-amp switchable breaker."6" green is a 

courtesy (optional) connection to provide a digital tack signal.



So it appears to me the function/position of Z13-8 to P-Mag manual are the 

same the question in my mind is are the numbers the same????? as the water 

drips from behind my ear!!!!!!!



Also Bob  is there any new info on the p-mag wiring potential 

changes................


	




   Figure Z-13/8 has been updated at:



http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11L.pdf



http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Architecture_Dwgs/Z13-8m.dwg



http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Architecture_Dwgs/Z13-8m.dwg



   Bob . . .



        ----------------------------------------)

        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

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fstringham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

Mike

  

 Thanks for the info........

  

 Frank (at) SGU  RV7A.................NDY................but real close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





 [quote]  Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:31:01 -0900

From: aurbo(at)ak.net

Subject: Re: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com



   .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_BODY.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}   Frank,

  

 I wouldn't expect any answers back from Bob on this question but here is the answer your looking for.

  

 #'s 1 & 4 are both grounds. The #1 grounds to the panel, The #4 is the ground (kill) for the mag. 

  

 #5 is the red wire that goes to power.

  

 # 6 is the org wire that gores to the Tach.

  

 BUT: I would suggest you don't follow the Z-13 in wiring the E/P mags. The Emagair folks don't use that system why would you? 

  

 I started to use the Z figures to wire the E/P mags and changed my mind. They are not wired the way the Emagair folks recommend if you wire them that way. But it was hard to divert from using the Z figures as I was attached to them But in this case the Z figure offers no advantage versus using the Emagair system and is in fact more confusing, at least to me. The Z figure uses the same parts count as the Emagair system and doesn't require a "hidden" switch to disable the mags. The Emagair system just uses on off toggles which are hard to screw up.

  

 Mike Ice

 baffles and cowling

  

  

  

  

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fstringham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

Thanks Bob........it looks like a pretty easy wiring exchange from the old 13/8 to the now acceptable scheme......Thanks for all your efforts in behalf of we DIY guys and gals!!!!!!!

  

 Frank (at) SGU  RV7A ...........NDY.........BUT REAL CLOSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





   

 > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:35:32 -0600

 	  Quote: 	
		   To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 From: nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net

 Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

 

 --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net>

 

 At 05:25 PM 12/9/2007 -0700, you wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 >

 >----------

 >

 > I am now to the point of wiring up my dual p-mags per Z 13-8. I am not 

 > quite sure of connection points P-Mag to the S700-2-10 switch. As viewed 

 > from the screw side of the P-Mag plug they are numbered 1 through 6 Left 

 > to right according to the P-Mag install manual. So my question is on the 

 > Z13-8 diagram the green/orange/red /black would correspond to which 

 > numbers on P-mag install diagram. They have #1 black as the ground...#4 

 > orange connects to your ignition ON/OFF (ground) p-lead switch.....#5 red 

 > connects to your main 12 volt aircraft buss through a dedicated circuit 

 > breaker (not provided) using 18 gauge wire. E-MAGs should use a 5-amp

 >

 >breaker, and P-MAGs should use a 3-amp switchable breaker."6" green is a 

 >courtesy (optional) connection to provide a digital tack signal.

 >

 >

 >

 >So it appears to me the function/position of Z13-8 to P-Mag manual are the 

 >same the question in my mind is are the numbers the same????? as the water 

 >drips from behind my ear!!!!!!!

 >

 >

 >

 >Also Bob is there any new info on the p-mag wiring potential 

 >changes...............

 

 

 Figure Z-13/8 has been updated at:

 

 http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11L.pdf

 

 http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Architecture_Dwgs/Z13-8m.dwg

 

 http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Architecture_Dwgs/Z13-8m.dwg

 

 Bob . . .

 

 ----------------------------------------)

 ( . . . a long habit of not thinking )

 ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

 ( appearance of being right . . . )

 ( )

 ( -Thomas Paine 1776- )

 ------------====================

 

 

 


	


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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

At 07:53 AM 12/10/2007 -0700, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks Bob........it looks like a pretty easy wiring exchange from the old 

13/8 to the now acceptable scheme......Thanks for all your efforts in 

behalf of we DIY guys and gals!!!!!!!



Frank (at) SGU  RV7A ...........NDY.........BUT REAL CLOSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


	


   My pleasure sir. But know that last night's posting

   was pre-mature. Too many beers with the chili!



   Go back and get the latest drawings posted as of a

   few minutes ago.



   Bob . . .

nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

 	  Quote: 	
		  >Bob  is there any new info on the p-mag wiring potential 

>changes................

   Figure Z-13/8 has been updated at:



http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11L.pdf



http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Architecture_Dwgs/Z13-8m.dwg



http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Architecture_Dwgs/Z13-8m.dwg


	




    Seems that 13/8 needed more attention than I was thinking

    a midnight last night.



    Z-13/8 has been further refined and the revision letter

    has rolled to "N". Get the corrected drawings at:



http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Architecture_Dwgs/Z13-8N.dwg



http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z13-8N.pdf

    Appendix Z was fixed also but the revision letter was

    NOT rolled. If anyone downloaded Revision "L" before

    reading this posting, I'll suggest that you do it again

    to get the latest version.



    Bob . . .

sportav8r(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

I think you've reversed the functionality of the E- and P- mags, Bob.  P is the self-powering type, and E is the externally-powered-only model, so they appear to be reversed on Z-13/8 labels.  That's the way I remember it, anyway. 



-Bill B



On Dec 10, 2007 10:37 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net (nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net)> wrote:

[quote] --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net (nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net)>

At 07:53 AM 12/10/2007 -0700, you wrote: 



 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks Bob........it looks like a pretty easy wiring exchange from the old

13/8 to the now acceptable scheme......Thanks for all your efforts in

behalf of we DIY guys and gals!!!!!!!



Frank (at) SGU  RV7A ...........NDY.........BUT REAL CLOSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


	


   My pleasure sir. But know that last night's posting

   was pre-mature. Too many beers with the chili!



   Go back and get the latest drawings posted as of a

   few minutes ago.



  [quote][b]

fstringham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:16 am Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

Bob

 To much Beer with Chili could make the mind a bit fuzzy I would suspect......I was  given a wake up call at 2:00 AM sunday morning to bail my youngest child (26 going on 15) out of the county pokkie for DUI/Speeding.  Booking Sarg's said he isn't drunk.........so why the citation. It is a great way to keep those real Bad ?????? Saint George Kids out of Hurricane City late at night. Ya and it will cost about $1000.00 to get the auto out of impound/fight the DUI in court/and maybe my bail for killing the kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!So lets put this little mistake in perspective.  

 Bob, wiring my airplane, choosing instruments, wiring materials, and help with my crazy ????????????????? was given by you....most times gently sometimes with a douse of Hey Frank wake up and smell the coffee!!! So again THANKS

 Frank (at) SGU  RV7A .....NDY........But CLOSE

 > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:37:15 -0600

 	  Quote: 	
		   To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 From: nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net

 Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

 --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net>

 At 07:53 AM 12/10/2007 -0700, you wrote:

 >Thanks Bob........it looks like a pretty easy wiring exchange from the old 

 >13/8 to the now acceptable scheme......Thanks for all your efforts in 

 >behalf of we DIY guys and gals!!!!!!!

 >

 >Frank (at) SGU RV7A ...........NDY.........BUT REAL CLOSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 My pleasure sir. But know that last night's posting

 was pre-mature. Too many beers with the chili!

 Go back and get the latest drawings posted as of a

 few minutes ago=================

  [quote][b]

nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: Z 13-8 P-mag wiring

At 12:19 PM 12/10/2007 -0500, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  I think you've reversed the functionality of the E- and P- mags, Bob.  P 

is the self-powering type, and E is the externally-powered-only model, so 

they appear to be reversed on Z-13/8 labels.  That's the way I remember 

it, anyway.



-Bill B


	


   Actually, either Emag product can be wired either

   way. If you power the device from a switched bus

   (any bus but a battery bus) then you don't necessarily

   need to shut off ship's power when the engine is stopped.

   Current drain in the non-running state is tens of milliamps.

   If you want to run the ignition from a battery bus (my

   favorite source) then it's necessary to disconnect the

   power source when the aircraft is powered down so that

   you don't run the battery down.



   My preference is to minimize total numbers of switches

   so it seems most practical to use the 2-10 so that

   both power and control of the ignition system can

   be accomplished from the same device. If you run

   the p-mag from a switched bus and control it with

   a single pole switch, then the occasional test of

   the internal power source can be accomplished by

   momentarily powering down the bus that supplies

   ship's power to the ignition system. Hence the

   suggestion that the P-Mag be powered from the main

   bus and the E-Mag be powered from the battery bus.



   Bob . . .



        ----------------------------------------)

        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

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