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s_thatcher(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

It's been a grueling last few weeks in trying to get ready for the DAR Dec 

15th inspection of N601EL but it's finished and so am I, just about!



I want to thank everyone who has helped me find parts, provide drawings, 

send photos, help out at the hangar, lend support and in general for being 

there.  It really does take a lot of collaboration to finish one of these 

things and after four years, I am extremely happy about having the pink slip 

for this aircraft!



Thanks again!



Scott Thatcher

GraphiTech Computer Systems

http://www.graphitech.com

800-634-8324



Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL

601XL with Corvair, still 99%complete but with E-LSA certification

N601EL

dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Congratulations Scott. What a unique Christmas  present to receive, and a few days early at that! We look forward to hearing  about the test flights.

  

 Dred

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Ron Lendon

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 685
Location: Clinton Twp., MI

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Scott,  



Congratulations, now the fun really begins.  Fly safe, and Merry Christmas.

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WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
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rroberts

Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 50
Location: Birmingham, AL USA

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

CONGRATS and BE Careful ! !

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phd1993

Joined: 04 Apr 2006
Posts: 18
Location: Overland Park, KS

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Scott,

  

 Congratulations from many and various  aspects.  Are you going to be doing your own Phase I flight testing or are  you going to have a test pilot?  Interested in determining the differences  between Airworthiness Certificate and Airworthy.  Received pink slip in  June 2007 and still going through some minor tweaking and getting near to the  point where the test pilot indicates it is "airworthy at all speeds and flying  conditions".  How has your insurance company been cooperating in getting  your E-LSA fully insured.

  

 You might want to keep the mailing list up to date  on these various subsets for finally getting the project off of the  ground.

  

 Many thanks and much congratulations.

  

 Sammy J Hutcheson

 N6412Z - 912S

  

  

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Great news Scott!!  How long is the phase I flight requirememt?

 	  s_thatcher(at)bellsouth.n wrote: 	
		  It's been a grueling last few weeks in trying to get ready for the DAR Dec 

15th inspection of N601EL but it's finished and so am I, just about!



I want to thank everyone who has helped me find parts, provide drawings, 

send photos, help out at the hangar, lend support and in general for being 

there.  It really does take a lot of collaboration to finish one of these 

things and after four years, I am extremely happy about having the pink slip 

for this aircraft!



Thanks again!



Scott Thatcher

GraphiTech Computer Systems

http://www.graphitech.com

800-634-8324



Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL

601XL with Corvair, still 99%complete but with E-LSA certification

N601EL

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s_thatcher(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Hi Sammy,



I'll be doing Phase I testing up to the point of actual flight. Then I'm 

going to let Gus Warren from http://FlyWithGus.com  do the actual first 

flight. After that, I'll run the numbers in flight myself.  I was given a 5 

hour fly-off using the Corvair engine.  Not bad considering that the E-AB is 

40 hours with a non-certified engine.



I guess the big difference between getting the certificate and actual 

airworthiness boils down to how a person feels about getting into the plane 

and flying it. I for one need to do a lot of "tweeking" before I do any 

flying in it.  I'm glad to hear that others aren't just ready to fly as soon 

as their inspection is over... I thought I was the only one! I've got it to 

the point where the controls are great, the instruments and gages all work, 

but my Granddaughter just pushed in the baggage locker trying to get out and 

I noticed that when I stepped on the step to get into the plane, the tail 

started down....  So I will need to make some mods to the baggage locker to 

keep it from sagging when pushed and I guess I'll have to get in from the 

front of the plane! Also, for some reason the strobes don't work.



I haven't contacted the insurance company yet.  Thanks for reminding me. 

I'll keep everyone informed as to the numbers I'm getting and what hoops are 

still needed to jump through.  BTW, my plane came in at 774 lbs for a 

corvair engine. Based on the weight of a Zenith using a Lycoming (800 lbs), 

I feel pretty good about that number.



Scott



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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Sorry for the dumb question, but what IS the difference between E-SLA and E-AB? I can't find a good source on this. My buddy is going to register his Challenger E-LSA. I've heard people say that you can't register anything E-LSA after this year? All the while I've not found any thing official that really spells it out. I assume that if you scratch build is has to be E-AB?



PS congrats on the milestone!

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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Congrats on the progress, Scott.



We're all very interested in how things proceed for you!



Patrick

XL/Corvair

rsteele(at)rjsit.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

I'm sure there are those that could answer this better, but I'll jump  

in and maybe save someone some typing.



E-AB = experimental amateur build.  These planes fall into the FAA  

experimental category and must be 51% build by builder, who by rule  

must be an amateur.   There is a debate about how much help can be  

received by a professional helper.  EAB can be anything from a  plane  

designed and build by the builder - a complete one-off to a Quick  

Build Kit that is a virtually complete plane that pushes the 51%  

definition pretty hard.  The result might fly at 300MPH or 50MP and  

hold one person or many. It may be powered by a chain saw engine or a  

jet.



E-LSA  Start with LSA.  An LSA is a Light Sport Aircraft.  1320  

pounds (600 kilo) max gross weight, 120knot max continuous cruise,  

single engine, piston powered, no more than 2 seats and a low stall  

speed, 45 knots I believe.   To be an S-LSA, the plane must be build  

to a set ASTM standards (note - not FAA standards) and the production  

facility and procedures are inspected by the FAA.  An E-LSA has all  

the same restrictions, but is manufactured from a kit that meats the  

definition of an LSA.  (There are factory built E-LSA also, but I'm  

fuzzy on why)  The kit must not be modified from that supplied by the  

manufacturer in any substantive way.  The kit does not have to meet  

the 51% rule requirement for an EAB.



E-LSA was dreamed up to get "fat ultral-lights" , those weighing more  

than 255 lbs. registered with the FAA.  That process ends the end of  

January 2008, so time's about up.  After that, there will be no more  

new E-LSAs.



There are maintenance considerations.  The builder of an EAB can do  

anything he wants to the plane.  If he sells it, the buyer must have  

the original builder do the work, or an A&P.  An E-LSA can be worked  

on by anyone who takes a course (80 hours I think) in LSA  

maintenance.  This includes the builder - once it's registered as an  

E-LSA he must have the maintenance cert' to work on the plane.

These are to completely different regulations, meant for different  

purposes with different requirements.  It's an extraordinary  

coincidence that one can be registered as the other.



Ron



On Dec 18, 2007, at 5:45 PM, kmccune wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Sorry for the dumb question, but what IS the difference between E- 

 SLA and E-AB? I can't find a good source on this. My buddy is going  

 to register his Challenger E-LSA. I've heard people say that you  

 can't register anything E-LSA after this year? All the while I've  

 not found any thing official that really spells it out. I assume  

 that if you scratch build is has to be E-AB?



 PS congrats on the milestone!



 --------

 Kevin





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skyguynca

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 128

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Small correction, Experimental Amateur Buit......anyone can work on it but 

the Annual Condition Inspection must be done by a A&P or higher.

David Mikesell



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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

I'm going to start a new thread as I don't want to high-jack this one.



Kevin

mhilderbrand

Joined: 28 Sep 2006
Posts: 36

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Did Gus break-away from WW? 

  

 Do not archive.   

 

 

Michael Hilderbrand

Derby, Kansas

Http://www.kansasflying.com 

  



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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

 	  Quote: 	
		   Did Gus break-away from WW?


	


Yes, back in March. Look for "Fly With Gus" about 2/3rds of the way down

this page:



http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar0307.html



-- Craig

raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

Michael, 

  

     Just tried the link in your  signature and it didn't work for me.  Just an FYI.

  

 Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN

  

 "Hope for the best,

but prepare for the  worst."

  

 do not archive

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planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: N601EL receives E-LSA certification!

the basic site link worked for me but the only link from the home page that worked was the builders log page



raymondj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> wrote:[quote]    DIV {  MARGIN: 0px }    Michael, 

  

     Just tried the link in your  signature and it didn't work for me.  Just an FYI.

  

 Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN

  

 "Hope for the best,

but prepare for the  worst."

   

 do not archive

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