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kearney(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: Instrument Panel Dimensions

Hi  

   

Over the past couple of weeks I have been playing with panel layouts. What I don’t know is what the exact center of vision is offset from the center of the RV10 stock panel. I have a pretty good idea of where it is but was wondering if anyone has an exact measurement.  

   

I would hate to have my EFIS off center as it would annoy me to no end every time I flew.  

   

Inquiring minds need to know…  

   

Cheers & Merry Christmas to all  

   

Les Kearney  

#40643  

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toaster73(at)embarqmail.c
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: Instrument Panel Dimensions

I don't have a number but it seemed to me for the  GRT if the left edge of the efis aligned with the first screw to the left  of the left panel rib that would center up the Horizon one.

 -Chris

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bcondrey

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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Panel Dimensions

Center of pilot's view is about 1.125" inboard of the left panel rib.



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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: Instrument Panel Dimensions

Off center being an annoyance is an interesting idea... but I've been flying behind an asymmetrical, off center steam gauge panel for awhile.  Don't even think about it.  Not sure an EFIS changes that.  Inquiring minds want to know.

 

 Symmetry is a beautiful thing - but it occurs to me that it's not as simple as a perfectly centered screen or array of gauges.  There's a functional symmetry and a perceived symmetry and not sure what else.

 

 The best looking panels  seem to have the panels stacked in front of the pilot  or split between pilot and copilot.  But having to dip my head to see the bottom panel will annoy me to no end when in the clouds.   

 

 I just spent the day pasting instrument pics to my panel. Very interesting.

 

 Bill Watson

 40605

 

 Les Kearney wrote: [quote]                   

Hi   

    

Over the past couple of weeks I have been playing with panel layouts. What I don’t know is what the exact center of vision is offset from the center of the RV10 stock panel. I have a pretty good idea of where it is but was wondering if anyone has an exact measurement.   

    

I would hate to have my EFIS off center as it would annoy me to no end every time I flew.   

    

Inquiring minds need to know…   

    

Cheers & Merry Christmas to all   

    

Les Kearney   

#40643   

C-GCWZ (reserved)   

    

    

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kearney(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: Instrument Panel Dimensions

Thanks Bob



I was using my handy dandy laser level and estimated it was around there. It

is good to know what the "book" answer is so I can plan accordingly.



Cheers



Les

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kearney(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: Instrument Panel Dimensions

Bill  

   

I have been playing with layouts, online, for a couple of weeks. What you select as an EFIS setup seems to drive the placement everything else. With the smaller GRT screens, you could have two independent efis screens side by side with the primary display directly in front and the second to the right displaying a moving map. That drives everything else to the right. The beauty of this is that it would allow the second efis to be used as a backup if the primary screen had a brain fart.  

   

With the larger AFS Efis screens, it seems that the only reasonable layout is to have one centered in front of the pilot and one in front of the co-pilot. That would be fine if both seats had pilots. Otherwise, in the event of a failure on the pilot’s side, it would seem that using the co-pilots’ screen as a backup would be problematic.  

   

Decisions, decisions…..  

   

I just pickup up a copy of the Panel Planner software to help my panel design process. Embedded in the software is an article from Kitplane Magazine from 1999. I found the same article online (unfortunately without the pictures) but it still has a few pearls. I especially took note of the issues around positioning of switches. The following link will get you to the article.  

   

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-9339593_ITM  

   

Cheers  

   

Les  

#40643  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver

 Sent: December-19-07 8:19 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Dimensions  

  

   

Off center being an annoyance is an interesting idea... but I've been flying behind an asymmetrical, off center steam gauge panel for awhile.  Don't even think about it.  Not sure an EFIS changes that.  Inquiring minds want to know.

 

 Symmetry is a beautiful thing - but it occurs to me that it's not as simple as a perfectly centered screen or array of gauges.  There's a functional symmetry and a perceived symmetry and not sure what else.

 

 The best looking panels  seem to have the panels stacked in front of the pilot  or split between pilot and copilot.  But having to dip my head to see the bottom panel will annoy me to no end when in the clouds.   

 

 I just spent the day pasting instrument pics to my panel. Very interesting.

 

 Bill Watson

 40605

 

 Les Kearney wrote:   

Hi  

   

Over the past couple of weeks I have been playing with panel layouts. What I don’t know is what the exact center of vision is offset from the center of the RV10 stock panel. I have a pretty good idea of where it is but was wondering if anyone has an exact measurement.  

   

I would hate to have my EFIS off center as it would annoy me to no end every time I flew.  

   

Inquiring minds need to know…  

   

Cheers & Merry Christmas to all  

   

Les Kearney  

#40643  

C-GCWZ (reserved)  

   

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bcondrey

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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: Instrument Panel Dimensions

Les,  

   

I also decided that I wanted the EFIS centered in front of the pilot seat.  Like was suggested earlier, I have a second screen just to the right of that and a third centered on the right side front seat.  This makes the radio stack a natural fit immediately right of the center panel rib.  This sort of layout will likely require that you trim & reinforce the outboard panel rib(s) for clearance of the screen(s).  

   

I also started out with Panel Planner and it was helpful.  I was however disappointed to find out that the dimensional info isn’t quite right for the RV-10 panel.  I iterated a couple of times with the folks to try to get it right but in the end used that only as a visual guide and manually measured/cut my panel.  They may have updated the panel definition by now – that was last spring.  

   

Bob #40105  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney

 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:28 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Instrument Panel Dimensions  

  

   

Bill  

   

I have been playing with layouts, online, for a couple of weeks. What you select as an EFIS setup seems to drive the placement everything else. With the smaller GRT screens, you could have two independent efis screens side by side with the primary display directly in front and the second to the right displaying a moving map. That drives everything else to the right. The beauty of this is that it would allow the second efis to be used as a backup if the primary screen had a brain fart.  

   

With the larger AFS Efis screens, it seems that the only reasonable layout is to have one centered in front of the pilot and one in front of the co-pilot. That would be fine if both seats had pilots. Otherwise, in the event of a failure on the pilot’s side, it would seem that using the co-pilots’ screen as a backup would be problematic.  

   

Decisions, decisions…..  

   

I just pickup up a copy of the Panel Planner software to help my panel design process. Embedded in the software is an article from Kitplane Magazine from 1999. I found the same article online (unfortunately without the pictures) but it still has a few pearls. I especially took note of the issues around positioning of switches. The following link will get you to the article.  

   

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-9339593_ITM  

   

Cheers  

   

Les  

#40643  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver

 Sent: December-19-07 8:19 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Dimensions  

  

   

Off center being an annoyance is an interesting idea... but I've been flying behind an asymmetrical, off center steam gauge panel for awhile.  Don't even think about it.  Not sure an EFIS changes that.  Inquiring minds want to know.

 

 Symmetry is a beautiful thing - but it occurs to me that it's not as simple as a perfectly centered screen or array of gauges.  There's a functional symmetry and a perceived symmetry and not sure what else.

 

 The best looking panels  seem to have the panels stacked in front of the pilot  or split between pilot and copilot.  But having to dip my head to see the bottom panel will annoy me to no end when in the clouds.   

 

 I just spent the day pasting instrument pics to my panel. Very interesting.

 

 Bill Watson

 40605

 

 Les Kearney wrote:   

Hi  

   

Over the past couple of weeks I have been playing with panel layouts. What I don’t know is what the exact center of vision is offset from the center of the RV10 stock panel. I have a pretty good idea of where it is but was wondering if anyone has an exact measurement.  

   

I would hate to have my EFIS off center as it would annoy me to no end every time I flew.  

   

Inquiring minds need to know…  

   

Cheers & Merry Christmas to all  

   

Les Kearney  

#40643  

C-GCWZ (reserved)  

   

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