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ericparlow(at)hotmail.com
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Here's what I have done for the console above the tunnel
ERic--
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How are you planning to mount the two boxes over the tunnel? I have contemplated getting one of the fiberglass consoles but a also considering building something as well.
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kearney(at)shaw.ca
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Console above tunnel |
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Hi Eric
You tunnel mod looks brilliant! Thanks for the pxi and the ideas.
One of the small complaints I heard at KOSH about consoles was that they could restrict travel of the stick because your leg gets in the way (the console doesn’t allow your leg to move out of the way).
Have you sat in your plane to check range of movement of the stick?
Cheers
Les Kearney
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From: Eric Parlow [mailto:ericparlow(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: December-19-07 9:14 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Cc: kearney(at)shaw.ca
Subject: Console above tunnel
Here's what I have done for the console above the tunnel
ERic--
RV-10, 40014
N104EP
How are you planning to mount the two boxes over the tunnel? I have contemplated getting one of the fiberglass consoles but a also considering building something as well.
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Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: Console above tunnel |
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I used the wood grips from Vans and cut my sticks as short as possible. Even so, I was not able to get full forward right stick. At that point I had only the left stick in place. I was using the stock engine control bracket under the instrument panel crossbar. So, I moved the bracket to the right a bit (maybe 1/2"-1") to get full travel. When I put the right stick in, again using Van's wood grips and the shortest possible stick length, I was able to hook the right stick into the space between the mixture and the throttle. Not good. So, I bought the quadrant and will see how it affect stick travel. $$ and work at this point but better than locked controls!
Eric, that's a beautiful console but I think you may have some interferance.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:51 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Console above tunnel
Hi Eric
You tunnel mod looks brilliant! Thanks for the pxi and the ideas.
One of the small complaints I heard at KOSH about consoles was that they could restrict travel of the stick because your leg gets in the way (the console doesn’t allow your leg to move out of the way).
Have you sat in your plane to check range of movement of the stick?
Cheers
Les Kearney
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From: Eric Parlow [mailto:ericparlow(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: December-19-07 9:14 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Cc: kearney(at)shaw.ca
Subject: Console above tunnel
Here's what I have done for the console above the tunnel
ERic--
RV-10, 40014
N104EP
How are you planning to mount the two boxes over the tunnel? I have contemplated getting one of the fiberglass consoles but a also considering building something as well.
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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: Console above tunnel |
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Dave Saylor wrote:
| Quote: | v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} <![endif]--> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } <![endif]--> I used the wood grips from Vans and cut my sticks as short as possible. Even so, I was not able to get full forward right stick.
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And what outside aerobatic maneuver would you be trying to accomplish??? :-\
| Quote: | At that point I had only the left stick in place. I was using the stock engine control bracket under the instrument panel crossbar. So, I moved the bracket to the right a bit (maybe 1/2"-1") to get full travel. When I put the right stick in, again using Van's wood grips and the shortest possible stick length, I was able to hook the right stick into the space between the mixture and the throttle. Not good.
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I would agree, but why would you even get close to full forward stick, much less right or left aileron? Planning on taking your -10 on the aerobatic circuit, are ya??? 
| Quote: | So, I bought the quadrant and will see how it affect stick travel. $$ and work at this point but better than locked controls!
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But much easier (and cheaper) to limit the stick travel. There are many reasons why you'd want full aft stick, but I can't think of anytime I'd want to use full forward stick.
Linn
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[quote] Eric, that's a beautiful console but I think you may have some interferance.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: Console above tunnel |
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Lynn,
I have to agree with Dave, there should never be a time when the sticks should interfere with any other structure. Yes, most likely we will never use full deflection at any reasonable time in our flying, but it would be hard to remember this tid bit of information when say trying to avoid a surprise..as in midair collision. So one forgets, and then in your haste, you realized you survived the crash but the stick is stuck underneath something and you can't get it to go the other way.
Yes stastically it won't happen, but because it can, gives reason to consider it strongly.
JOhn G.
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:47:28 -0500From: pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.netTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: RE: Console above tunnel
Dave Saylor wrote:
I used the wood grips from Vans and cut my sticks as short as possible. Even so, I was not able to get full forward right stick.And what outside aerobatic maneuver would you be trying to accomplish??? :-\
At that point I had only the left stick in place. I was using the stock engine control bracket under the instrument panel crossbar. So, I moved the bracket to the right a bit (maybe 1/2"-1") to get full travel. When I put the right stick in, again using Van's wood grips and the shortest possible stick length, I was able to hook the right stick into the space between the mixture and the throttle. Not good.I would agree, but why would you even get close to full forward stick, much less right or left aileron? Planning on taking your -10 on the aerobatic circuit, are ya???
So, I bought the quadrant and will see how it affect stick travel. $$ and work at this point but better than locked controls!But much easier (and cheaper) to limit the stick travel. There are many reasons why you'd want full aft stick, but I can't think of anytime I'd want to use full forward stick.Linndo not archive.
Eric, that's a beautiful console but I think you may have some interferance
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: Console above tunnel |
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Check travel after the ailerons and elevators are rigged. They move a lot more than when stopped by the control surfaces.
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:08 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RE: Console above tunnel
Lynn,
I have to agree with Dave, there should never be a time when the sticks should interfere with any other structure. Yes, most likely we will never use full deflection at any reasonable time in our flying, but it would be hard to remember this tid bit of information when say trying to avoid a surprise...as in midair collision. So one forgets, and then in your haste, you realized you survived the crash but the stick is stuck underneath something and you can't get it to go the other way.
Yes stastically it won't happen, but because it can, gives reason to consider it strongly.
JOhn G.
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From: pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net
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Subject: Re: RE: Console above tunnel
Dave Saylor wrote:
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And what outside aerobatic maneuver would you be trying to accomplish??? :-\
| Quote: | At that point I had only the left stick in place. I was using the stock engine control bracket under the instrument panel crossbar. So, I moved the bracket to the right a bit (maybe 1/2"-1") to get full travel. When I put the right stick in, again using Van's wood grips and the shortest possible stick length, I was able to hook the right stick into the space between the mixture and the throttle. Not good.
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I would agree, but why would you even get close to full forward stick, much less right or left aileron? Planning on taking your -10 on the aerobatic circuit, are ya???
| Quote: | So, I bought the quadrant and will see how it affect stick travel. $$ and work at this point but better than locked controls!
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But much easier (and cheaper) to limit the stick travel. There are many reasons why you'd want full aft stick, but I can't think of anytime I'd want to use full forward stick.
Linn
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| Quote: | Eric, that's a beautiful console but I think you may have some interferance.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: Console above tunnel |
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<![endif]--><![endif]--> >> And what outside aerobatic maneuver would you be trying to accomplish??? :-\ <<
Landing in a gusty crosswind, recovering from wake turbulence, avoiding a mid-air, dealing with a bird strike...<8-O
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jim(at)CombsFive.Com
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: Console above tunnel |
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Eric,
What are your plans to get back into the tunnel when you need to change out the fuel filters. I would like to do
something like that but the need to have access in the tunnel leads makes me think otherwise.
Curious mind wants to know.
Jim Combs
N312F - Finish kit
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From: Eric Parlow <ericparlow(at)hotmail.com>
Date: 2007/12/19 Wed AM 11:13:40 EST
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Console above tunnel
Here's what I have done for the console above the tunnel
ERic--
RV-10, 40014
N104EP
How are you planning to mount the two boxes over the tunnel? I have contemplated getting one of the fiberglass consoles but a also considering building something as well.
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: Console above tunnel |
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Jim,
We have used a similar console in several planes we have worked on. I
really helps to clean up the panel, especially if used for switches
and breakers and things like that. It also really helps to stiffen up
the bracket that holds the control cables. As long as it is screwed
on and has disconnects at the back for ease of removal (don't know how
well that will work with an audio panel and transponder as in Eric's
case), it only adds a little time to the removal of the tunnel cover
for access to the fuel filter. Having switches on the top of the
lower console also gives very convenient access without taking your
right hand very far from the controls (some switches can even be
accessed while on the throttle, prop or mixture cables).
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 21, 2007, at 7:25 PM, <jim(at)CombsFive.Com> <jim(at)CombsFive.Com>
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Eric,
What are your plans to get back into the tunnel when you need to
change out the fuel filters. I would like to do
something like that but the need to have access in the tunnel leads
makes me think otherwise.
Curious mind wants to know.
Jim Combs
N312F - Finish kit
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From: Eric Parlow <ericparlow(at)hotmail.com>
Date: 2007/12/19 Wed AM 11:13:40 EST
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Console above tunnel
Here's what I have done for the console above the tunnel
ERic--
RV-10, 40014
N104EP
How are you planning to mount the two boxes over the tunnel? I have
contemplated getting one of the fiberglass consoles but a also
considering building something as well.
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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: Console above tunnel |
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I have to agree with Dave, there should never be a time when the sticks should interfere with any other structure. Yes, most likely we will never use full deflection at any reasonable time in our flying, but it would be hard to remember this tid bit of information when say trying to avoid a surprise...as in midair collision. So one forgets, and then in your haste, you realized you survived the crash but the stick is stuck underneath something and you can't get it to go the other way.
Yes stastically it won't happen, but because it can, gives reason to consider it strongly.
JOhn G. |
Now I'll agree that having it get stuck UNDER the panel would be bad, and cause for fixing ....... such as adding something that would prevent it's travel ..... such as a stop on the stick. I really wasn't advocating leaving it in that 'bad' situation ..... but I didn't say so. My point was that we get mired down in getting full movement of the stick when it's not really necessary in some quadrants. If we are doing aerobatics, then full stick deflection everywhere is desireable ..... but even my Pitts has stops on aileron and elevator. Well, the rudder has one too ..... the pedal hits the firewall!
We agree that safety is the prime directive and allowing the plane to say 'I got it' or 'my airplane' doesn't fall in that category.
Linn
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