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gcomfo(at)tc3net.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

Several years ago  Van wrote about a flight he made in his RV-6 against a Mustang II flown by a  gent who had shot off his mouth about the virtues of thin wings and the lack of  virtue of thick wings.  I seem to recall that there was a side by side  speed comparison but of that I'm not certain.  I have looked back through  my RVators to mid 1994 and not found it so far.  Does anyone know where and  when that was published?  Are there any data comparing the RV-7 with the  Mustang II?  The reason for the questions is a friend is planning to build  one or the other starting after SnF and quite naturally, I am trying to convince  him to build the 

 RV.  He has  fallen prey to the "thin wing" idea and since Mustang aviation is slightly more  than a hour's drive from here he is leaning that way.  Help, please in  trying to prevent him from making a dreadful mistake.

  

 Gordon  Comfort

 N363GC  

  

 I'm actually  mounting the Precision Eagle System components the -8  airframe.

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d-burton(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

Hi Gordon,  

   

January 1988 Kitplanes published an article:  

Showdown at Checkpoint Charlie, the Mustang II vs. the RV-6.    

It’s available for free if you are an EAA member.  Just give them a call.  

DaveB  

   

   

   

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon or Marge

 Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:36 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II  

  

     

Several years ago Van wrote about a flight he made in his RV-6 against a Mustang II flown by a gent who had shot off his mouth about the virtues of thin wings and the lack of virtue of thick wings.  I seem to recall that there was a side by side speed comparison but of that I'm not certain.  I have looked back through my RVators to mid 1994 and not found it so far.  Does anyone know where and when that was published?  Are there any data comparing the RV-7 with the Mustang II?  The reason for the questions is a friend is planning to build one or the other starting after SnF and quite naturally, I am trying to convince him to build the   

    

RV.  He has fallen prey to the "thin wing" idea and since Mustang aviation is slightly more than a hour's drive from here he is leaning that way.  Help, please in trying to prevent him from making a dreadful mistake.  

    

   

    

Gordon Comfort  

    

N363GC   

    

   

    

I'm actually mounting the Precision Eagle System components the -8 airframe.  

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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

Try not to refer to the decision as a 'dreadful mistake'. Hopefully, 

you're joking about that. I agree that for most people, the -7 is a 

better choice, but the M-II is a good airplane & if he feels like he can 

get 'local support' it might not be that bad a choice. I owned a M-II 

project for a while & I've flown several examples. If they are built 

correctly (much easier with the newer kits of pre-formed parts) they fly 

a lot like an RV. And you gotta admit, there are so many RVs flying now 

that building one almost looks like buying a Cessna to real he-man 

homebuilders. 



Charlie



David Burton wrote:

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		   Hi Gordon,

 

  

 

 January 1988 Kitplanes published an article:

 

 Showdown at Checkpoint Charlie, the Mustang II vs. the RV-6. 

 

 It’s available for free if you are an EAA member.  Just give them a call.

 

 DaveB

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 *From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gordon or Marge

 *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:36 PM

 *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RV-7 vs Mustang II

 

  

 

 Several years ago Van wrote about a flight he made in his RV-6 against a 

 Mustang II flown by a gent who had shot off his mouth about the virtues 

 of thin wings and the lack of virtue of thick wings.  I seem to recall 

 that there was a side by side speed comparison but of that I'm not 

 certain.  I have looked back through my RVators to mid 1994 and not 

 found it so far.  Does anyone know where and when that was published?  

 Are there any data comparing the RV-7 with the Mustang II?  The reason 

 for the questions is a friend is planning to build one or the other 

 starting after SnF and quite naturally, I am trying to convince him to 

 build the

 

 RV.  He has fallen prey to the "thin wing" idea and since Mustang 

 aviation is slightly more than a hour's drive from here he is leaning 

 that way.  Help, please in trying to prevent him from making a dreadful 

 mistake.

 

  

 

 Gordon Comfort

 

 N363GC

jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

If my memory serves me right was it not a "thin" wing T18 that was the first

"homebuilt" that flew around the world ??



Does anyone build any T18 today ????



Jan



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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

Yes and yes.



There's a very active Thorplist on Yahoo, & there are actually *2* kit 

suppliers for the T & the wider bodied, modified airfoil S model. (Also 

a good flying plane; 90% of RV performance for ~1/2 the price in the 

already flying homebuilt market.)



Charlie



jan wrote:

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 If my memory serves me right was it not a "thin" wing T18 that was the first

 "homebuilt" that flew around the world ??

 

 Does anyone build any T18 today ????

 

 Jan

 

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gcomfo(at)tc3net.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

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gcomfo(at)tc3net.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

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gcomfo(at)tc3net.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

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rv7(at)b4.ca
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

On 14:35 2007-12-30 "Gordon or Marge" <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com> wrote:

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		   Help, please in trying

 to prevent him from making a dreadful mistake.


	


Having flown in both an RV-6 and a Mustang II, I have to say that building

a M-II would certainly not be a "dreadful mistake".  I recall that it flew

a lot like an RV-6.  The cockpit felt tighter on the M-II... Couldn't say

whether it was the overall width or the shape of the canopy, it was a few

years ago that I flew in it.  I'm 190 lbs and the owner was somewhere near

200.  We were cozy, but not uncomfortable.  Performance numbers were

comparable, and the control feel was almost identical.



I considered the M-II quite seriously before starting my -7.  At the end of

the day, I chose the -7 because there were a lot of people locally building

RV's, and thought it would be more important to have that pool of knowledge

to draw from on my first project.  Also, my plan is to fly formation with

other RV's, so it's better to have a plane that matches.



Personally I like the tapered wing on the M-II better than the Hershey bar

on the RV's, but it wasn't a large enough factor in my decision I guess.



-Rob

brian.kraut(at)engalt.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

I forwarded to the Mustang group to get an opinion.  The question on the

Mustang group comes up often and the general consenses is usually that the

Mustang has better performance with the same engine, but is more work to

build.  One Mustangers opinion follows.



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gmcjetpilot

Joined: 04 Nov 2006
Posts: 170

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:17 am Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

Not to be a bummer but very sadly the Mustang II builder pilot Van flew against was lost at a later date with his passenger I recall. The facts I don't recall but something about his seat belt coming undone doing acro comes to mind. Not trying to be a bummer first at the year but PLEASE be careful in 2008; lets make this the safest year ever. All the best Happy New Years, George

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rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

I looked in Kit Planes Kits issue, they list the cocpit width at 40 inches......that is VERY narrow! If you stagger the seat backs maybe not so bad?

 

Scott Bilinski

RV-8a



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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

The Mustang II web site lists it as 39", same as a Cherokee, I believe.

What is the honest width of a -7?  



John Jessen

  40328 



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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: RV-7 vs Mustang II

John Jessen wrote:

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 The Mustang II web site lists it as 39", same as a Cherokee, I believe.

 What is the honest width of a -7?  

 

 John Jessen

   40328 


	


39", plus some small change.



Charlie

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