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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: FAA Avoidance

At 04:53 PM 1/4/2008, you wrote:

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		  We should be saying, we are not going to the FAA for anything 

period, for any reason.  Let them find out about pilots on THEIR OWN.


	


Mike,

         I'm guessing you're either being facetious, or you use some 

other means of enforcement. (Baseball bat?) Is it really OK for 

someone to drink and fly? Is it OK for them to do low-level 

aerobatics over dense residential areas? How about just buzzing 

houses? Are you really promoting anarchy in the pattern? Or do you do 

recommend some kind of "personal" enforcement?

         I could care less what someone does to himself. I 

strenuously object, though, when they try to take away my flying 

privileges. (I love flying.) That means I get upset when a pilot does 

anything to upset the "little people", who don't understand safety, 

only perceptions of safety. (I also get upset when pilots kill 

passengers, because I never met a pilot who gave realistic risk 

assessments to their passengers: e.g. "We're over gross and it's hot 

as hell, but we're going to go ahead and take off down-wind because I 

think we'll make it. The book says we'll all die, but I think we'll make it.")

         Most countries don't even allow GA. In America we can fly 

almost anything almost anywhere almost anytime. We get to put the 

general public in danger of death and destruction WITHOUT THEIR 

CONSENT. What's more, we don't even have to fly certified aircraft 

anymore! And all this is done under the purview of the FAA.

         If you think about it a little bit, you'll realize that the 

FAA is probably on our side. A few statistics: (Source: 

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/factcard.pdf)



1. Out of 5288 public use airports, only 1381 are served by the 

airline industry.

2. 81% of departures were GA.

3. 59% of hours flown were GA.



         I suspect the majority of FAA personnel would be rather 

upset at the demise of general aviation, as they would probably loose 

their job. (Not to mention how many are pilots.)

         Now I suppose we could take on enforcement ourselves. A lot 

of people have taken to doing that while driving. It's usually called 

"road rage" and it's seldom constructive. We, the public, have 

constructed the FAA and all the other codes and enforcement to 

convince the non-flying public that it is safe for us to fly over 

their heads. I suggest we use the FAA to maintain that perception, 

since the alternative is anarchy, or something akin to "air-rage", 

neither of which will endear us to the ground-bound. If there are 

problems with the FAA then we should fix them. We are not 

defenseless, far from it.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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kcflys

Joined: 28 Aug 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Rancho Cordova, CA

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: FAA Avoidance

Thank you Guy,



Recently a discussion was going on a at my house about the person that was 

released from prison after 20+ years in prison BECAUSE HE WAS INNOCENT.  Our 

system says "innocent until proven guilty" and we would rather 10 guilties 

go free than one innocent convicted.  Our system is flawed, but it is one 

of, if not, the best "freedom oriented" systems in the world.  We have the 

options of working to change it (better or worse), to outwardly protest it, 

or to live with it.  Those are our freedoms.  To not use the FAA for our and 

everyones protection is letting your freedom go. If you can't live with that 

the "Love it or leave it" comes into play.  You don't have to love every 

little thing but I believe we are still the Greatest Nation of all time and 

that is what we love, that word "Freedom".



Keith C.

Kitfox Wannabe

C-150 N8798G

Sacramento, CA (MHR)

do not archive



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kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: Re: FAA Avoidance

Guy,

You have good questions there, but like anything there are abuses.  Most pilots turn in other pilots for self reasons.  Greed, jealousy, wanting to get back at someone.   I still stick with the fact that pilots need to stay away from the FAA, let them find them out on their own.  



If somebody was doing that crazy of stuff, believe me the general public will be all over them.



Now if everybody wants to keep up with the current and turn pilots in left and right.  Yes there is a problem, I talked with the people over at AOPA and they say that the rural airports have a real big problem with pilots turning in other pilots for stupid stuff, stuff that isn't even rule braking stuff, and it's happening all over the US.  Then it will make it so the air is less congested.  What?  Yup, instead of people saying, I'm sure glad I'm on the ground instead of in the air, when the weather is crud.  They will be saying it just so they don't have to worry about some creep turning them in.

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: FAA Avoidance

At 07:37 AM 1/5/2008, you wrote:

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		  Yes there is a problem, I talked with the people over at AOPA and 

they say that the rural airports have a real big problem with pilots 

turning in other pilots for stupid stuff, stuff that isn't even rule 

braking stuff, and it's happening all over the US.


	


Mike,

         I'm sorry, but would you please explain how one gets turned 

in for non-rule breaking stuff, and what happens to you when you get 

caught? (I know you have something in mind, I just can't picture it.)

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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