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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Rule breakers Was: Re: This feud isn't pretty!

KFM-

Sounds like you're living up to your motto:  if you're not getting  

razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough  : )



Lynn Matteson

Grass Lake, Michigan

Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200

flying w/450+ hrs

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On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, kitfoxmike wrote:



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 John,

 I can understand your concern.  But now lets look at it another  

 way.  I went into a small airport and nobody was around I mean  

 nobody, early in the morning.  I decided to do touch and go's on  

 all the runways, shouldn't be a problem, I added in short  

 approaches to get in 5 touches on each runway, total of 4 with  

 opposite direction put in there.  5 days later I get a letter from  

 the airport manager stating that there were multiple complaints  

 about me doing erratic flying at their airport and if it continues  

 they will turn me into the FSDO.  I did nothing wrong, but somebody  

 on the ground didn't like my flying and got with his friends and  

 they complained to the airport manager.



 That brings up another thing, if a person is upset with you, that  

 person goes to his friends and congers up a rule that you broke and  

 the bunch of them turn you in, it can be from drinking before  

 flying to just about anything they can think of, does this happen,  

 yes it does.



 I think we just need to keep away from the FAA and let them do  

 their job.



 If you have a problem with a pilot, go talk to him.   Best of all  

 stay out of his flying.



 One last thing, most of those people that turn people in, their  

 hangers are right on the approach end of the runway.  They  

 literally sit in a chair and watch people all day long.



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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Rule breakers Was: Re: This feud isn't pretty!

kitfoxmike sez:



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		  5 days later I get a letter from the airport manager stating that 

there were multiple complaints about me doing erratic flying at 

their airport and if it continues they will turn me into the FSDO. 

I did nothing wrong...


	


"Perception is everything," as they say.  Unfortunately, as aviation 

enthusiasts we are involved in a constant PR struggle.  The general 

public perceives us as noisy, dangerous, and unnecessary.  The 

reality is that we are very tiny minority of the population and if we 

ignore these concerns we will ultimately get regulated away due to 

public pressure on government officials.



Mike G.

N728KF

Phoenix, AZ

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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: Rule breakers Was: Re: This feud isn't pretty!

Mike,

My intent in responding to this is not to stir up controversy, nor to point

the finger at anyone.  I'm only posting the following to let folks get a

look at some of the things that are overlooked, or forgotten from our

initial and recurrent training.  My purpose here is simply to point out that

what many of us expect in a traffic pattern as pilots is not the way a lot

of folks fly.



You posted that you that you did nothing wrong in your response below.  I

invite your attention to Section 4-3-3, and Section 4-3-4, in the

Aeronautical Information Manual, Airport Operations, the Official Guide to

Basic Flight Information and ATC Procedures for all pilots in the USA.  What

you described below is not what other pilots that are familiar with

procedures would expect on an airport open to the public.  You apparently

did not cause a concern for another aircraft in that instance, however, if

you look at those sections I mentioned, you will see that you did not follow

recommended procedures. The Aeronautical information Manual can be found at:

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim/ 

I have seen the FAA issue a citation for simply making a long (10 mile or

so) straight-in approach to an uncontrolled airport, citing careless and

reckless operation as the offence in that he failed to follow recommended

procedures.  They got a conviction for the offence by a Federal Magistrate.

The FAA inspectors were on the airport at the time the guy made that long

approach. 



As I said, I'm not attempting to point fingers or otherwise find fault with

what happened, just to point out that we all forget things and that we need

to keep on our toes when we share the airspace with others.



John Hart

Model IV

Latimer County, OK

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