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arno7452(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

Listers,

 Can someone provide the length of CH701 with tail  removed?  I need to get a trailer long enough to haul a completed airframe  with tail and wings removed.

  

 Many thanks,

 Ken Arnold

 CH701 build started

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n701rr(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

Hi Ken,

I'd assume you're building a tri-gear, so a trailer needn't be longer 

than 60% the length of the

plane. I had to make my bed wide enough for the gear, long enough to 

allow a 4 to 5 foot overhang

in back and low enough to be able to pull it up and on.  Wings were on 

their own rack and trailered

separately.  This trailer just fits in the right forward side of my 

t-hangar and is about 15 ft long hitch to tail end.

It was a free-bee, but required a total rebuild of the bed and tongue.  

I also added a winch, a jack stand

and 3 ramps.  It doesn't go much past 50 mph with this arrangement, but 

it works well enough.

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/trailerfront.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/trailerwinching2.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/trailerwplanespotted.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/Zenith-on-the-roadh.jpg

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/zenith-to-airport.jpg

If you need specific data and dimensions, I can take notes and get 

them.  Don't think the 701 has

a radically different gear footprint from a 601 HDS.



Larry McFarland - 601HDS



Ken Arnold wrote:

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		   Listers,

 Can someone provide the length of CH701 with tail removed?  I need to 

 get a trailer long enough to haul a completed airframe with tail and 

 wings removed.

  

 Many thanks,

 Ken Arnold

 CH701 build started

Richard C

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 9
Location: Perth Western Australia

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

Ken

 19 ft overall,with no prop ,rudder and horizontal  stabiliser. Maybe other 701's would be longer. My unit is powered by a Subaru EA  81 .The rear of the motor is only about 4 inch's from the nose gear  assembly.

 Hope that helps

 Regards

 Richard

 Perth Australia

 mrd at wn.com.au

 [Still building]

 [quote]    Ken Arnold (arno7452(at)bellsouth.net) 

   To: Zenith List (zenith-list(at)matronics.com) 

   Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:12    AM

   Subject: Dimensions of    CH701

    



   Listers,

   Can someone provide the length of CH701 with tail    removed?  I need to get a trailer long enough to haul a completed    airframe with tail and wings removed.

    

   Many thanks,

   Ken Arnold

   CH701 build started

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Richard C

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 9
Location: Perth Western Australia

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

Dimensions of  CH701



 



 Ken

 19 ft overall,with no prop ,rudder and horizontal  stabiliser. Maybe other 701's would be longer. My unit is powered by a Subaru EA  81 .The rear of the motor is only about 4 inch's from the nose gear  assembly.

 Hope that helps

 Regards

 Richard

 Perth Australia

 mrd at wn.com.au

 [Still building]

 [quote]    Ken Arnold (arno7452(at)bellsouth.net) 

   To: Zenith List (zenith-list(at)matronics.com) 

   Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:12    AM

   Subject: Dimensions of    CH701

   

 

   Listers,

   Can someone provide the length of CH701 with tail    removed?  I need to get a trailer long enough to haul a completed    airframe with tail and wings removed.

    

   Many thanks,

   Ken Arnold

   CH701 build started

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arno7452(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

Richard,

 Many thanks.  I will get a 20' trailer.  I will have  a Rotax 912S mounted.

 Regards,

 Ken

  

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secatur

Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Posts: 50
Location: New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: Re: Dimensions of CH701

Ken, Attached picture of my 701 trailer, built before the kit arrived and used to haul the kit box 60 km home.

If you want the plans, I can email them to you. Cost me $950 Aud to build



Regards,

Steve in Perth

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Tommy Walker

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 442
Location: Anniston, AL 36207

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

Ken,  

Mine is about 18’ 3”   

I have a Rotax 912 with Warp Prop and short bull-nose type spinner.  

   

Tommy Walker in Alabama  

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milreed(at)directcon.net
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

My 701 fuse measures 13 ' (156') from aft end of  logerons to the forward wing bracket, this line 67" above the floor when on the  wheels. Another 2' +/-from this forward bracket to the firewall rivet line.  

 I'm glad you asked because I have a couple of easy  questions.

 1. What engine should I buy to put on the front of  this machine? I will just be flying for pleasure, and alone around the pasture.  The problem is that I planned to take 2 or 3 years to build and by that time I  would have sold a 160 acre parcel here in the Sierras, or at least work a jab  2200 into my budget, but the selling is going slower than expected and the  building is going much faster than expected. Less than a year on the project now  and waiting for the wings kit (last part save engine). Also finished up my 1200'  pasture/strip and designed and built a  40' x 26' hanger (Son Brad drove  most all the nails). I bought a harbor freight nail gun but it was more trouble  than it was worth. Yep, some of it is junk, but you can't beat the price.  Actually I like their palm mailer, light and easy to work. 

 I figured the Jab. 2200 would cost $15  K FWF--- Rotax 4 stroke $20K.-----What about The Rotax 2 stroke  engines? I would like to keep it light.

 Aren't the auto conversion heavy? I'm more of a  farm shop equipment mechanic so I best buy an aircraft engine.

 2. I forgot---get you next time.

 Mil            

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arno7452(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

Mil,

 Many thanks for the measurements.  Seems I will need  about 20' trailer.  The trip from Florida to North Carolina is about 900  miles.  

  

 Sounds like your 701 project is going nicely.  I went  through the engine analysis and got a head ache from all the data.  I  finally decided to get a Rotax 912 ULS for my 701.  The Jab 3300 was  considered but it gets its power at fairly high rpms.  This is good for the  Zodiac but not so good for STOL 701.  I am told the STOL needs big prop  with lots of torque turning less than 2800 rpm.  This is especially true if  you ever put floats on it.

  

 I looked at Continental and Lycoming but they are very heavy  for the 701.  Auto conversions are also viable.  If you are a mechanic  you can do your own work.  Anyway, after all this I decided the Rotax was  best for my mission.  They are costly but I think the value of your 701  will reflect its desirability.  If you consider the 2 cycle engines, be  aware of the shorter time between overhaul.  The Rotax 582 is a great  engine but has a relatively short TBO.

  

 When I was in the decision making mode, I surveyed the Zenith  list for comments.  I received a lot of responses that helped.  You  might also survey the list for comments.  There are a lot of different  engine types being installed.  The respondents can indicate if post  installation support is adequate.

  

 My mission will consist of local flying at the many private  grass strips in my neighborhood.  I am surely anxious to compare my  take-off roll with Zenith's published 90' roll.

  

 Thanks again Mil, keep us posted on your build  progress.

 Regards,

 Ken Arnold

 Pikeville, NC

  

 CH701 on order

  

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aprazer

Joined: 24 Nov 2006
Posts: 93
Location: Boise, Idaho

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Dimensions of CH701

I used an 8 x 24 foot open trailer to move my plane and wings from California to Idaho -- 700+/- miles. All it cost was the trailer rental -- which is far cheaper than trying to purchase or build a unit that will not be used more than a couple of times. I crated the wings and tied the fuselage and engine down by strapping the landing gear to the trailer. Encountered some hellacious cross winds across Nevada, but did not sustain any damage. In case you want to know what the green is -- for weather protection the plane was wrapped with plastic, i.e., "Saran Wrap" that is used in the shipping industry. 

I'll try to attach a photo. 

Help, can anyone tell me how to attach a JPG photo to this format?

Mack,

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milreed(at)directcon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

Ken:

 Thanks for the reply. Seems like the 582 might work  if the gear ratio was such that it would turn a large prop at a low  RPM. I notice there are numerous reduction gears available.  There are  probable persons out there on the list that have such a combination and I  would like to hear their opinion. (Consider the 10' pole rule to be  disabled). Actually there are possibly persons on the list that want to sell  their 582 with such a transmission and large prop so they can put in a 3300 or  912. 

 A low TBO may  be ok for me the way I see the situation now. What are we expecting from  that engine, 200 or 300 hours ? How is the dependability during that period  ?

 Mil

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701flyer

Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Posts: 1
Location: San Diego

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Dimensions of CH701

I may be a bit ahead of myself but I have been looking into a capable trailer before starting to build. I want to be able to put a 701 into a Weekend Warrior such as  this one, wings removed of course. http://www.warriormfg.com/Floorplan/08CR-flpln-lg.gif



I hope to have the nose gear go up on a centerline ramp so as to clear the tail thru the 7' cargo entrance. 



Can anyone provide the tip of spinner to center of nose gear dim? 



The wife and I want to be snowbirds and have living quarters and trans for the 701 all in one package. There is a county campground in the desert of San Diego County that is open only during winter. There is a county maintained 2500' asphalt runway across the street from it that no one (but me it seems) ever uses.  It is L54 and the campground is also named Agua Caliente. 

Thanks....[/u]

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

Hey, I've stayed at that camp site and never realized there was an airstrip

so near. Thanks! I'll add it to my list of future strips to visit.



I wonder why the strip is there?



-- Craig



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ch701builder

Joined: 07 Feb 2006
Posts: 119
Location: N38.9947,W105.1305,ALT. 9,100'

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: Dimensions of CH701

701flyer,



I have done some CAD work to see if I could get the 701 into a 24' Ryder truck. There is no problem at all. Plus, there is some room to spare. I have done just what you are wanting to do. I will build a ramp for the nose gear before the tail gets inside, and the way the Ryders are made the nose gear can set down in a saddle for the trip (since the door is lower than the roof)



If you want I can try to send you a DXF, DWG, TCW, PRT, etc... formatted file of some crude drawings.



Good Luck with building!!!!!



Keith

ch01builder(at)yahoo.com



N 38.9947

W 105.1305

Alt. 9,100'

Temp. 5F (wanting it to warm up a little to spray parts with Primer-anti-corrosion spray)

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