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 Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: IFR (GPS) requirements |
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Right on!
Hello (Old) Bob, Rick,
Night or IFR for OBAM or production aircraft is a function of how equipped
(per FAA requirements for night or IFR equipment) and whether such
equipment has been checked as required (e.g. 24 months for pitot-static,
X-ponder, 30 days VOR check, currency of GPS data bases as required by the
manufacturer, etc.) rather than pre-approval by the FAA in the ops specs.
It can be gained (or lost) by the owner/operator at any time after
airworthiness is obtained. No need for FAA involvement.
If I filed IFR and an inspector meets me after landing for a ramp check,
I'd have to show the required IFR equipment (also as logged entries) and
that the required checks have been complied with.
Some production aircraft are "certified" for "Night flight" from the
factory, which nothing more than meaning the required equipment for night
flight was installed, checked, and properly placarded. If e.g. my nav light
became inoperative, I am no longer "night" "certified".
Rumen
do not archive
_____________________Original message __________________________
(received from BobsV35B(at)aol.com; Date: 10:04 AM 1/16/2008
EST)
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Good Morning Rick,
That is exactly the way it should read!
The next step is to equip it in accordance with the specifications of 14
CFR Part 91, section 91.205 for the type of flight you wish to conduct and
make an entry into the ship's papers stating that you have done so.
No need to change anything on your ops spec and no need to contact any Fed.
Just install the equipment and test it in accordance with the manufacturers
directions. As long as you have the proper equipment, just hop in the
machine and go fly IFR and/or night
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 1/16/2008 8:53:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
jindoguy(at)gmail.com writes:
In the Ops Limits I received yesterday, Item 11:
"After completion of phase 1 testing, unless appropriately equipped for
night and/or instrument flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is
to be operated VFR day only."
Rick Girard
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emrath(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: IFR (GPS) requirements |
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Please clarify the statements make by Old Bob and Rumen. What entries are
to be made to the logs showing the the required IFR equipment is installed?
Or are we just saying the installation has been tested and proven/observed
to be satisfactory? Can you give us the wording for the papers, I assume in
the aircraft log, not the engine or prop logs.
Marty in Brentwood TN
Time: 11:04:15 AM PST US
From: rd2(at)evenlink.com
Subject: IFR (GPS) requirements
Right on!
Hello (Old) Bob, Rick,
Night or IFR for OBAM or production aircraft is a function of how equipped
(per FAA requirements for night or IFR equipment) and whether such equipment
has been checked as required (e.g. 24 months for pitot-static, X-ponder, 30
days VOR check, currency of GPS data bases as required by the manufacturer,
etc.) rather than pre-approval by the FAA in the ops specs.
It can be gained (or lost) by the owner/operator at any time after
airworthiness is obtained. No need for FAA involvement.
If I filed IFR and an inspector meets me after landing for a ramp check, I'd
have to show the required IFR equipment (also as logged entries) and that
the required checks have been complied with.
Some production aircraft are "certified" for "Night flight" from the
factory, which nothing more than meaning the required equipment for night
flight was installed, checked, and properly placarded. If e.g. my nav light
became inoperative, I am no longer "night" "certified".
Rumen
do not archive
_____________________Original message __________________________
(received from BobsV35B(at)aol.com; Date: 10:04 AM 1/16/2008
EST) ________________________________________________________________
Good Morning Rick,
That is exactly the way it should read!
The next step is to equip it in accordance with the specifications of 14 CFR
Part 91, section 91.205 for the type of flight you wish to conduct and make
an entry into the ship's papers stating that you have done so.
No need to change anything on your ops spec and no need to contact any Fed.
Just install the equipment and test it in accordance with the manufacturers
directions. As long as you have the proper equipment, just hop in the
machine and go fly IFR and/or night
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 1/16/2008 8:53:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
jindoguy(at)gmail.com writes: In the Ops Limits I received yesterday, Item 11:
"After completion of phase 1 testing, unless appropriately equipped for
night and/or instrument flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is
to be operated VFR day only."
Rick Girard
Marty ҿӬ
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