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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: CJ6A vs Yak-52 |
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And just to fire up an old argument, I have been alternating between a
CJ6A and a Yak-52 of late. I'm getting plenty of time in both. I
appreciate both aircraft and cannot for the life of me understand the
attempts to claim that one is better than the other. The Yak-52 rolls
a lot better. I can do a decent hammerhead in the -52. The -52
actually spins. I can barely fit in the -52 and can't reach the
switches on the right side panel or the air valve when strapped in
without dislocating my shoulder. The CJ6A is faster and seems to have
overall better control harmony. I just can't for the life of me figure
out how anyone can come to the conclusion that one is better than the
other.
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: CJ6A vs Yak-52 |
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It is all in the eye of the beholder. A cockroach is beautiful to another
cockroach.
The 52 will out turn and roll a stock CJ. The super CJ will give the 52 a
run for the money in turn with its' ability to sustain its' energy in the
turn. As for roll with the super CJ, that does not improve.
The 50 is an entirely different story though as compared to both the CJ and
the 52.
Doc
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cpayne(at)joimail.com
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: CJ6A vs Yak-52 |
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Brain,
You must be having a slow day! Remember the old Yakkity Yak vs the Yak-52 wars? One small point of order, the CJ you had (Betty) was nice, but it couldn't provide the kick butt performance that an "enhanced" M-14P can provide. In your own words: it depends on what you want.
Yak roll rate is fine but remember that in a tail chase the CJ will quickly hit 200 kts and pull up smoothly at all speeds while the Yak will snap if aggravated. Then there is the low speed end where the CJ can still be yanked about with good stick feel.
On the down side, my CJ's ailerons get real stiff above 175 kts. OTOH. in formation with Yaks, I love burning 9.2 GPH to their 15GPH, since we now report fuel state in time units, It's great to call out "5 hours" (with aux) when the Yaks report "45 minutes".
Then there is the baggage, but sigh, I'll leave the rest to you :>)
Craig Payne
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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: CJ6A vs Yak-52 |
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On Jan 15, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
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Brain,
You must be having a slow day! Remember the old Yakkity Yak vs the
Yak-52 wars?
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Yup. And now that I am getting more time in the Yak-52, I am not
feeling the same superiority for the CJ6A. While I think that the two
airplanes have complementary features, I am far less likely to pick
one over the other.
| Quote: | One small point of order, the CJ you had (Betty) was nice, but it
couldn't provide the kick butt performance that an "enhanced" M-14P
can provide. In your own words: it depends on what you want.
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Well, speaking of "kick in the ass" the Yak-52 I'm flying has the
400hp engine. Regardless, "kick in the ass" is going to be a function
primarily of power loading. And
And that is my point, it depends on what you want. Frankly, I enjoy
flying both airplanes. I can't say which I would prefer as each has
its advantages and disadvantages. If I am out just yankin' and bankin'
I like the Yak-52 better.
| Quote: | Yak roll rate is fine but remember that in a tail chase the CJ will
quickly hit 200 kts and pull up smoothly at all speeds while the Yak
will snap if aggravated.
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Their behavior is different in an accelerated stall but I wouldn't say
that the Yak-52 "snaps". It stalls. So the wing doesn't have quite as
much washout as the CJ6A does. That means the stall is going to
progress more rapidly and it isn't quite so easy to hold it in the
buffet. Just relax the back pressure or be sure you are on top of the
rudder to prevent rotation. No fuss.
| Quote: | Then there is the low speed end where the CJ can still be yanked
about with good stick feel.
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I'm not sure I would categorize the Yak-52 as having "bad stick feel"
at the low end either. I can feel the softness in pitch as I am
getting close to the edge.
| Quote: | On the down side, my CJ's ailerons get real stiff above 175 kts.
OTOH. in formation with Yaks, I love burning 9.2 GPH to their 15GPH,
since we now report fuel state in time units, It's great to call out
"5 hours" (with aux) when the Yaks report "45 minutes".
Then there is the baggage, but sigh, I'll leave the rest to you :>)
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Both are good airplanes. (I have to admit, I've never met an airplane
I didn't like.) I still don't see how one can claim that it is better
than the other.
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: CJ6A vs Yak-52 |
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Craig... The more control authority an aircraft has, the easier it is to
snap if aggravated. The 52 is approved for the complete list of ARESTI
manuevers, and is built for the G loading and necessary performance that
this calls for. The CJ-6 is not. The CJ-6 does not have the control
authority that the YAK-52 does, or it would do the same. The 52 also is
allowed a higher G loading that the CJ.
I agree the CJ is a faster aircraft. No question. I was not aware that
a stock CJ-6 could accelerate to 230 miles per hour in level flight.
That's very impressive. No Yak can meet that kind of level flight
speed. My 50 with a stock 360 M-14P and a 2 blade will just BARELY do
200 mph WFO. However, I do believe that YAKS have a higher Vne, so if
one starts heading towards the deck, it can outrun the CJ, losing energy
all the way of course.
Possibly you are talking about a CJ-6 with a souped up M-14 on it? No
question that a CJ-6 with a 120 or more horsepower improvement over
stock would start to become a serious competitor for a stock YAK-52.
My comment is only because I was not sure exactly what you were
comparing?
Mark Bitterlich
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: CJ6A vs Yak-52 |
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Ah... Better than the other! I concur... To define which is better, one
would have to define: "Better at what" ???
I think the best answer would be to have one of each. ((at)!!(at))
Mark
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Mozam
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: CJ6A vs Yak-52 |
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| brian-1927(at)lloyd.com wrote: | I just can't for the life of me figure
out how anyone can come to the conclusion that one is better than the
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Brian,
As someone who has flown both planes a bunch, and enjoyed your insights on this list for the past seven or eight years, I could not agree more. 
All the best,
Steve Dalton
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