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Guy Buchanan
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: 2-stroke Oil |
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Good morning all,
I am having a heck of a time getting the Pennzoil 2-stroke
air cooled oil. The best price I've been able to get was $40/case of
24 pints + $10 shipping at oil-store.com. I was also told by a
Pennzoil distributor that the 16oz. has been discontinued and that
sooner or later I'll have to use 8oz. bottles, with the attendant
higher price and waste. Therefore, would anyone care to recommend a
non-Pennzoil oil for the 582?
Thank you,
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Roger Lee
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Location: Tucson, Az.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: 2-stroke Oil |
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Hi Guy,
You are likely to get several suggestions and oil is like Chevy's and Ford's. You tend to like one, but not the other. I reality they both work.
For 18 years I used YamaLube R and Cheveron two stroke oils and never ever had an issue with my engines. I really liked the Yamalube R. When I tore the engine down the crank shaft was always lubbed and never on the dry side. I did find a few oils that left parts on the dry side when I tore down other engines. Yamalube R is part synthetic. It doesn't cause any carbon build up, doesn't lead to plug fowling, burns clean.
I am sure some of the people here on the forum use other oils and have some good suggestions.
I don't know the price.
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Float Flyr
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: 2-stroke Oil |
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I’m in the same boat with you... Pennzoil 2-stroke is not available for close to a thousand miles of this location.
I’m using the Bombardier XPS mineral... Sold by the people who made the 582 engine. Like Dave, I now buy in bulk from the local Bombardier dealer. Bring your own container and it’s around $24/U.S. Gal. ( a bit more than $6.00/L )
If not available where you live, any TC-IP rated oil will do.
Noel
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Guy Buchanan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: 2-stroke Oil |
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At 08:32 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote:
| Quote: | I'm using the Bombardier XPS mineral... Sold by the people who made
the 582 engine. Like Dave, I now buy in bulk from the local
Bombardier dealer. Bring your own container and it's around
$24/U.S. Gal. ( a bit more than $6.00/L )
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Thanks Noel. To some extent I'm being cheap, as the Pennzoil
is $2.15/pt shipped versus $3.00/pt locally for the XPS. But mainly
I'm trying to avoid the hassle of switching, as I've been told to
"flush the system" of existing oil, however one does that. (When
someone tells me that mixed oils may gel, that tells me I have to get
the entire system clean, which I suppose means flushing with
kerosene, or some other solvent, being careful not to damage anything
in the process. Oh, and I agree that I'll do both the rotary valve
and injection system. Don't want to have to carry two oils.)
Finally, I'd also like to switch to an oil that I have a
half a chance of obtaining on long cross countries. It's a real pain
to carry a case of oil with me when I go. Next year I'm planning to
go to Oshkosh and it would be nice to be able to obtain oil along the way.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: 2-stroke Oil |
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Guy:
Draining the older Pennzoil mineral oil from your system would be a good idea. Going as far as rinsing everything out with solvent is a bit of over kill. I say this because the Pennzoil and the Bombardier XPS mineral are both mineral oils. If you were swapping from synthetic to mineral or vice versa I would be worried about congealing of the oil in the lines pump etc. But as you are changing one mineral oil for another mineral oil, only once, I don’t think you will have any problem.
The real problems, as I understand it, occur when you bring synthetics into the picture. They can have bad reactions with mineral oils and even with different synthetic oils that can cause everything to gel.
When I was a kid it was suggested never to mix oil brands in cars and to change brands when you had an oil change. I think base pan four stroke oil lives in a much more extreme environment than two stroke oils which are disposed of as soon as they are burnt.
If however you are insistent on a full flush of your system I would advise using plain old gasoline, sans booze. I have several reasons for this. Gasoline dissolves oil easily. Gasoline will evaporate after a while. Gasoline is easy to find..You won’t have to drill for it J. If you happen to leave a trace of gas in the lines/injector pump it will just be dissolved and burned with the new oil.
As far as sourcing Bombardier XPS mineral oil I expect any where you will find Bombardier Sea-Doos, snow mobiles or ATVs you will find the XPS mineral oil. Unless you are very remote you should be able to find a source for the XPS without too much problem.
Noel
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Roger Lee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: 2-stroke Oil |
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Hi Guys,
Using today's two stroke oils is not quite like it was 30 years ago. Most of the oils today are compatible. Even the synthetics and dyno based oils. I would try to stay with one or the other and not be bouncing back and forth all the time. In a pinch and stranded don't worry about it. If you need to switch you shouldn't need to do anything more than drain the older fuel/oil mix out of the tank and pour in the new mixture. Anything in the lines will not be an issue. Mixing 4 stroke oils can change the properties of each oil and you should try to stay with the same oil when topping off. In a pinch you could mix. (mixing can change the additives and the viscosity.) Most of the dyno based two stroke oils are not that different to cause a problem. Some synthetics can be different and should not be mixed.
There is a Honda shop in every town at least there seems to be and you shouldn't have any problems getting their 2 stroke oil.
I'm a believer in the 4 stroke Amsoil, but not a believer in their 2 stroke oil. I guess I have just seen to many seizure with the Amsoil 2 stroke stuff so I have kept my distance. I have used Amsoil 20-50 in my last 3 Rotax 912ULS engines, my Honda Goldwing and my Rotax driven Bombardier Traxter Max atv. I also use their gear oils.
Like I said before oil has as many different opinions as there is different kinds of oil.
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Guy Buchanan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: 2-stroke Oil |
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At 10:17 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote:
| Quote: | If however you are insistent on a full flush of your system I would
advise using plain old gasoline, sans booze. I have several reasons
for this. Gasoline dissolves oil easily. Gasoline will evaporate
after a while. Gasoline is easy to find..You won't have to drill
for it J. If you happen to leave a trace of gas in the
lines/injector pump it will just be dissolved and burned with the new oil.
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Thanks again Noel. If I change I think I'll go this route, except I
might try to flush the rotary valve system with warm air after the gas bath.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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