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richard.goode(at)russiana
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

We want to fit a supplementary ADC oil filter to a Yak and would be grateful for views as to where it should be placed in the oil system.  Our thinking is the return line from the oil cooler.  The aircraft will only be used in hot climates.  

Grateful for your views.  

  

Richard Goode Aerobatics  

Rhodds Farm  

Lyonshall  

Hereford  

HR5 3LW  

United Kingdom  

   

Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120  

Fax:  +44 (0) 1544 340129  

www.russianaeros.com  

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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Richard,

 You are 100% correct.  It must be installed in the return  line from the oil cooler to the oil tank.  Although I personally do not  have one installed, everyone that has installed the ADC filter seems to be quite  pleased with it.

 Dennis

  

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cliff(at)gesoco.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Good afternoon Richard,

We've installed many ADC oil filters.  I would recommend using the spin 

on filter rather than the "flat-pack".

There seems to be less mess involved with the spin-on.  We install them 

on RH side of the engine mount and plumb into the return line from the 

oil cooler.  This has always bothered me because I don't like using the 

oil cooler as a filter.  We we did install it between the outlet of the 

engine and the inlet of the oil cooler we ran into pressure/temperature 

issues.  Since this was on a -TW there may have been more to the cause, 

but moving the oil filter to the other side dropped the temperature.



We fabricate the -12 fittings for both the oil tank and the fire wall 

fitting.



If you're going with the bypass indicator note that the case of the 

filter body must be grounded to the aircraft.



Cheers,

Cliff

Richard Goode wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 We want to fit a supplementary ADC oil filter to a Yak and would be 

 grateful for views as to where it should be placed in the oil system.  

 Our thinking is the return line from the oil cooler.  The aircraft 

 will only be used in hot climates.



 Grateful for your views.

 Richard Goode Aerobatics

 Rhodds Farm

 Lyonshall

 Hereford

 HR5 3LW

 United Kingdom

  

 Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

 Fax:  +44 (0) 1544 340129

 _www.russianaeros.com_ <http://www.russianaeros.com>

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629 Airport Rd.

Swanton, VT 05488

802-868-2822 TEL

802-868-4465 FAX

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david(at)mcgirt.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Richard,

  I have a Yak52 TW w/ the ADC installed, I will include a link to a

picture, and would be glad to take more if needed.  I have been pleased with

the unit, although the one drawback is the size ( it can get in the way )

I like being able to pull the screen every oil change, and KNOW what is

being caught, not send a spin off to someone, or just hope for the best..

But that is just my opinion..

http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcgirt/OilShutoffYak52TW/photo#5155342296077646

034

David

On 1/18/08 8:44 AM, "Cliff Coy" <cliff(at)gesoco.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Good afternoon Richard,

 We've installed many ADC oil filters.  I would recommend using the spin

 on filter rather than the "flat-pack".

 There seems to be less mess involved with the spin-on.  We install them

 on RH side of the engine mount and plumb into the return line from the

 oil cooler.  This has always bothered me because I don't like using the

 oil cooler as a filter.  We we did install it between the outlet of the

 engine and the inlet of the oil cooler we ran into pressure/temperature

 issues.  Since this was on a -TW there may have been more to the cause,

 but moving the oil filter to the other side dropped the temperature.

 We fabricate the -12 fittings for both the oil tank and the fire wall

 fitting.

 If you're going with the bypass indicator note that the case of the

 filter body must be grounded to the aircraft.

 Cheers,

 Cliff

 Richard Goode wrote:

> 

> We want to fit a supplementary ADC oil filter to a Yak and would be

> grateful for views as to where it should be placed in the oil system.

> Our thinking is the return line from the oil cooler.  The aircraft

> will only be used in hot climates.

> 

> Grateful for your views.

> 

> 

> Richard Goode Aerobatics

> Rhodds Farm

> Lyonshall

> Hereford

> HR5 3LW

> United Kingdom

>  

> Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

> Fax:  +44 (0) 1544 340129

> _www.russianaeros.com_ <http://www.russianaeros.com>

> 

> 

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> 

> 

> *

drc(at)wscare.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

David,

I see you removed the electric starter and put the plate with the  

window on the left side of the case.  Has this been working like you  

expected?  If so why the oil shut off.  If positioning the crank  

works, I would like the contact of where you bought it.  I may not add  

it to the 52, but I might to the 55 since it is air start only.



Herb

On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:22 AM, David McGirt wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Richard,



  I have a Yak52 TW w/ the ADC installed, I will include a link to a

 picture, and would be glad to take more if needed.  I have been  

 pleased with

 the unit, although the one drawback is the size ( it can get in the  

 way )



 I like being able to pull the screen every oil change, and KNOW what  

 is

 being caught, not send a spin off to someone, or just hope for the  

 best..

 But that is just my opinion..



 http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcgirt/OilShutoffYak52TW/photo#5155342296077646

 034

 David





 On 1/18/08 8:44 AM, "Cliff Coy" <cliff(at)gesoco.com> wrote:



> 

>

> Good afternoon Richard,

> We've installed many ADC oil filters.  I would recommend using the  

> spin

> on filter rather than the "flat-pack".

> There seems to be less mess involved with the spin-on.  We install  

> them

> on RH side of the engine mount and plumb into the return line from  

> the

> oil cooler.  This has always bothered me because I don't like using  

> the

> oil cooler as a filter.  We we did install it between the outlet of  

> the

> engine and the inlet of the oil cooler we ran into pressure/ 

> temperature

> issues.  Since this was on a -TW there may have been more to the  

> cause,

> but moving the oil filter to the other side dropped the temperature.

>

> We fabricate the -12 fittings for both the oil tank and the fire wall

> fitting.

>

> If you're going with the bypass indicator note that the case of the

> filter body must be grounded to the aircraft.

>

> Cheers,

> Cliff

> Richard Goode wrote:

>>

>> We want to fit a supplementary ADC oil filter to a Yak and would be

>> grateful for views as to where it should be placed in the oil  

>> system.

>> Our thinking is the return line from the oil cooler.  The aircraft

>> will only be used in hot climates.

>>

>> Grateful for your views.

>>

>>

>> Richard Goode Aerobatics

>> Rhodds Farm

>> Lyonshall

>> Hereford

>> HR5 3LW

>> United Kingdom

>>

>> Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

>> Fax:  +44 (0) 1544 340129

>> _www.russianaeros.com_ <http://www.russianaeros.com>

>>

>>

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david(at)mcgirt.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Hey there Herb,



  I never had the electric starter on my TW, but I did add the sight glass.

I found the one I have in England ( the company name escapes me at the

moment)  They only had two, and I got both for Tim and I.



To back up, my TW was TERRIBLE about not scavenging the oil after shutdown,

thus I would puke a cup at least of oil when I would pull through.. I added

the Kimball scavenger pump and the sight glass, and have been very happy

with both.  That more or less, solved my problem.



The one draw back to the sight glass, you need to pull through the prop to

find the right spot, and normally you are doing this not long after shut

down...  So, you have a hot 400HP M14, your head trying to look at a sigh

glass just behind the prop, and a high compression M14 that likes to kick

when she is hot...   THUS..



I am installing the Kimball oil shutoff valve, I can shutdown, pull the

valve shut, scavenge the reservoir, walk away...  With the shutoff valve

tied to my starter button, I can NOT start the engine without the valve

open, and I put the valve control in a spot that would get in the way, while

open..



Anyway, that is my thinking.. I could be all wrong.. 



PS - I met a gentleman from Italy this past week while he was getting

checked out in the Model 12 Pitts, and he knew the guy that makes the sight

glass.  He promised to get me in touch with him.  So, I hope to have a lead

on more, I will let you know.



David





On 1/18/08 9:48 AM, "Herb Coussons" <drc(at)wscare.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 David,

 I see you removed the electric starter and put the plate with the

 window on the left side of the case.  Has this been working like you

 expected?  If so why the oil shut off.  If positioning the crank

 works, I would like the contact of where you bought it.  I may not add

 it to the 52, but I might to the 55 since it is air start only.

 

 Herb

 

 

 On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:22 AM, David McGirt wrote:

 

> 

> 

> Richard,

> 

>  I have a Yak52 TW w/ the ADC installed, I will include a link to a

> picture, and would be glad to take more if needed.  I have been

> pleased with

> the unit, although the one drawback is the size ( it can get in the

> way )

> 

> I like being able to pull the screen every oil change, and KNOW what

> is

> being caught, not send a spin off to someone, or just hope for the

> best..

> But that is just my opinion..

> 

> http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcgirt/OilShutoffYak52TW/photo#5155342296077646

> 034

> 

> 

> David

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 1/18/08 8:44 AM, "Cliff Coy" <cliff(at)gesoco.com> wrote:

> 

>> 

>> 

>> Good afternoon Richard,

>> We've installed many ADC oil filters.  I would recommend using the

>> spin

>> on filter rather than the "flat-pack".

>> There seems to be less mess involved with the spin-on.  We install

>> them

>> on RH side of the engine mount and plumb into the return line from

>> the

>> oil cooler.  This has always bothered me because I don't like using

>> the

>> oil cooler as a filter.  We we did install it between the outlet of

>> the

>> engine and the inlet of the oil cooler we ran into pressure/

>> temperature

>> issues.  Since this was on a -TW there may have been more to the

>> cause,

>> but moving the oil filter to the other side dropped the temperature.

>> 

>> We fabricate the -12 fittings for both the oil tank and the fire wall

>> fitting.

>> 

>> If you're going with the bypass indicator note that the case of the

>> filter body must be grounded to the aircraft.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> Cliff

>> 

>> 

>> Richard Goode wrote:

>>> 

>>> We want to fit a supplementary ADC oil filter to a Yak and would be

>>> grateful for views as to where it should be placed in the oil

>>> system.

>>> Our thinking is the return line from the oil cooler.  The aircraft

>>> will only be used in hot climates.

>>> 

>>> Grateful for your views.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Richard Goode Aerobatics

>>> Rhodds Farm

>>> Lyonshall

>>> Hereford

>>> HR5 3LW

>>> United Kingdom

>>> 

>>> Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

>>> Fax:  +44 (0) 1544 340129

>>> _www.russianaeros.com_ <http://www.russianaeros.com>

>>> 

>>> 

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>>> 

>>> 

>>> *

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

richard.goode(at)russiana
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Cliff-many thanks for that-it's what I  thought!

 I had 3 sets made a couple of years ago by  ADC ,but we are not allowed to use them in Europe,but this is going to  Australia.

 ADC made it with Metric fittings for  us!!

 Richard

  

 Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds Farm

Lyonshall

Hereford

HR5  3LW

United Kingdom

  

 Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

Fax:  +44 (0) 1544  340129

www.russianaeros.com



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richard.goode(at)russiana
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Dennis-thanks.As I thought,but wanted  confirmation!

 We are not allowed to use them in europe,so  I have no experience,but this is for an 18T going to Australia.

 Richard

  

 Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds Farm

Lyonshall

Hereford

HR5  3LW

United Kingdom

  

 Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

Fax:  +44 (0) 1544  340129

www.russianaeros.com



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wlannon(at)persona.ca
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Hi Richard;

  

 I have installed the ADC on the CJ6 with the HS6  engine (285 HP). Also installed them on the R1340 in the Harvard. In all cases  worked well. Much rather deal with the mess from the ADC than the mess with  cutting open the spin-on.

 Disagree with the location that seems to be  favoured on the list. One of the main reasons for installing an external filter  is to contain any contaminants before they get to the oil cooler. 

 A metal contaminated oil cooler is a second engine  failure waiting to happen even if you think it has been cleaned  out.

 Install the ADC in the oil out line.

  

 Walt 

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Dale

Joined: 30 May 2007
Posts: 178

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: ADC Oil Filter

I have a Airwolf filter on my 52.  It is located before the cooler to keep the particles from entering the cooler as Airwolf recommends.  Also Airwolf recommends the oil should be the hottest for the filter to flow and clean at max output and not block the cooler flow.  The output pressure of the scavenge pump is not that high and needs to keep up the flow with the min pressure needed so care must be taken to assure the relief valve in the filter can open and not block the oil cooler relief valve and damage  cooler.  Cooling the oil and then forcing it through the filter is not as good of a idea as hot oil flowing through the filter. 

Dale

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dee(at)innoviveinc.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

I've got an ADC flat-type oil filter on ebay if anyone is looking for one . . .

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ADC-Flat-Oil-Filter-PMA-NICE-Yak-Sukhoi-Lycoming_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ007QQitemZ170187013479QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW 



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Sent: Sat 1/19/2008 10:10 PM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

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I have a Airwolf filter on my 52.  It is located before the cooler to keep the particles from entering the cooler as Airwolf recommends.  Also Airwolf recommends the oil should be the hottest for the filter to flow and clean at max output and not block the cooler flow.  The output pressure of the scavenge pump is not that high and needs to keep up the flow with the min pressure needed so care must be taken to assure the relief valve in the filter can open and not block the oil cooler relief valve and damage  cooler.  Cooling the oil and then forcing it through the filter is not as good of a idea as hot oil flowing through the filter.

Dale





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nickpilbrow(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Hi



I was wondering the part number or name of airwolf filter you fitted

to your 52 was it the airwolf The Super Gorilla or another another

model



Cheers Nick



On Jan 20, 2008 7:10 PM, Dale <hdinamic(at)qwest.net> wrote:

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 I have a Airwolf filter on my 52.  It is located before the cooler to keep the particles from entering the cooler as Airwolf recommends.  Also Airwolf recommends the oil should be the hottest for the filter to flow and clean at max output and not block the cooler flow.  The output pressure of the scavenge pump is not that high and needs to keep up the flow with the min pressure needed so care must be taken to assure the relief valve in the filter can open and not block the oil cooler relief valve and damage  cooler.  Cooling the oil and then forcing it through the filter is not as good of a idea as hot oil flowing through the filter.

 Dale





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Dale

Joined: 30 May 2007
Posts: 178

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: ADC Oil Filter

Don't remember right now what the # is but all you need is the adapter and a bracket. It is not the Gorilla but a standard with large fittings.  Airwolf sells a kit for the Yak but the hoses and clamps are too large and useless as far as I am concerned adding extra cost, as I remember you need -10 hoses and fittings and Airwolf sent -12 with slip on hoses and clamps. There is only 15 psi on the output. You might well make your own kit up using a different spin on filter plate also. The Champion filter has the correct bypass setting for what you need.  I originall set all the information to Airwolf as they requested so it could be passed on. You will need to make your own fittings and the photo's I included show how I went from US back to Metric using the same hoses and brackets. The scavenge line from the engine needs to be angled back slightly to clear the engine mount. In the photo it is hard to see it so before finish welding I suggest a trial fit with the hose assemble complete. If anyone is truly interested I can do a complete How To.  It seems every one has there own idea how to do it. I have 140 hours on my install.

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cpayne(at)joimail.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:16 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

I'll bring some display versions of my oil filter and mount for the CJ and Yak when I go to Waycross. Works well without costing nearly as much as the brand names.

  

  

 Craig Payne

 cpayne(at)joimail.com (cpayne(at)joimail.com)

  

  

 

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kregg(at)balancemyprop.co
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Actually, with the ADC you can install a -12 hose with out any welding.  All

you need is two fittings and you can convert it to US hose.  I have the

fitting and I think Cliff Coy has them too.  I have pictures if anyone needs

them.



Kregg Victory



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wlannon(at)persona.ca
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Both ADC and Airwolf supply -12 fittings with their kits.  That is the 

correct size for the Huosai or M14 installation and virtually identical in 

size to the original hose. ADC supply either metric or AN fittings for 

installation with complete hose assemblies rather than hose & clamp style.



Walt



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wlannon(at)persona.ca
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Hi Dale;



I honestly don't know the answer to that though some possibilities come to 

mind.



1. Could be I have made an incorrect assumption that the Yak is the same as 

the CJ in this respect. Would not be the first time!

2.  I have not installed an Airwolf unit, just the ADC's and since I make my 

own hose assemblies have not had occasion to order hose with the units. Any 

possibility that Airwolf supplied the hose size for the R1340 (-16) rather 

than -12??



I checked your photos but can not determine hose or fitting size. The hose 

they sent you should have the designation on it. If it is Aeroguip 303 or 

Stratoflex 111 (MIL-H-3794)  it will show the size as a dash number 

(-10, -12 etc.). If it is MIL-H-6000  it will show a fractional size (5/8, 

3/4 etc.). The approximate actual ID for the -10  is about 1/2" and for 

the -12  about  5/8".



Cheers;

Walt

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wlannon(at)persona.ca
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: ADC Oil Filter

Corrections,etc to below;



MIL-H-3794 should read -8794.



The actual ID for the MIL-H-6000 is the fractional size shown. This is a low 

pressure hose with no steel mesh reinforcement and is intended for use in 

short, clamped sections joining rigid pipelines.



Walt

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