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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Hello All,

Been lurking on the list for some time. Building 601QBK I took delivery of about 3 weeks ago.

I ordered the Corvair Conversion Manual and 601 installation manual from William Wynn (paid through paypal) about 3 weeks ago and haven't received it yet. Got no response to 2 emails and can't find a phone number on his website.

Doesn't seem like a great way to do business. Has anybody else had any issues with this? Can anybody give me a phone number for him?

Thanks

Bill
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

You might also ask your question on the Corvaircraft e-mail list : http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft. Some members of that list interact with William weekly and may have a better idea what is up.

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Hello All,

Been lurking on the list for some time. Building 601QBK I took delivery of about 3 weeks ago.

I ordered the Corvair Conversion Manual and 601 installation manual from William Wynn (paid through paypal) about 3 weeks ago and haven't received it yet. Got no response to 2 emails and can't find a phone number on his website.

Doesn't seem like a great way to do business. Has anybody else had any issues with this? Can anybody give me a phone number for him?

Thanks

Bill


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Bill-
904-529-0006 or 386-451-3676. Hope you don't wear out your redial button.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Bill

I ordered the conversion Manual on 1-09-08 but sent the signed waiver a couple of days later, but still haven't gotten the manual.



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Randall-
Join the club. Great engine, but all you can do is wait on WW. If you're in a hurry go with an O-235. I often wonder if that's the way I should have gone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

I have given up on the Corvair and I am going with another engine.  I have emailed 17 times with no response to any of them. I attended his class in Cloverdale, California Oct. 2006, which we had to pay to attend.  His response then was to respond to emails faster. Well, at least I got a free hat out of it. Dealing with Tom Henderson is about the same.  At least I am local and can take him to court!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Bill

I am currently studying (reading up on) the VW and the Corvair. I understand the Corvair may be a little much for the 701 ???

My biggest decision maker now is $$$


Randall J Hebert

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Randall-
Join the club. Great engine, but all you can do is wait on WW. If you're in a hurry go with an O-235. I often wonder if that's the way I should have gone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Hi Bill,

I too ordered a rebuild manual and installation manual for the 601. I ordered mine of Jan 6th and I mailed the release out to him that same day. I too wrote them one email and as of yet, no manuals or any response. Grace did write this before they left and this IS on their website:

"Due to a late start, we will be extending our break from answering the phone or e-mail through Jan. 8, 2008. In the meantime, in the spirit of my New Year's Resolution to celebrate Christmas every day, I will soon be sending out all Baffle Kits and every Cowling Kit we have. I waited until after the Holiday Mailing Season to post these because they are precision bent expensive parts that certainly didn't need to be unbent in the Christmas Crush. We shipped out a few more engines before Christmas, and a few more will also be going out shortly for arrival in plenty of time for Spring Break (again, apologies for the delays). I mailed several Distributors Dec. 31, 2007, including one to our Spanish Piet builder Jorge, plus 601 Intakes and Exhausts. All DVDs will go out next week as well. The majority of other items please consider Class "B" till the eighth."

Now I did also notice that they were planning to go to Sebring for the LSA Expo during Jan, 17th to 20th 2008. It DOES take time to finish their business there, pack up and drive back home. I'm not making any excuses for them, but I DO know how it is when you are traveling...and trying to conduct business along the way (to anyone that will listen to you about your product)

Here is the clincher for me. I saw where a gentleman on here was advertising his NEW Corvair engine and trying to sell it (has ZERO runtime hours). He said the only two things he was missing was the dual distributor and the intake manifold. He told me he has had both of these items on order now for a full YEAR and is tired of waiting on them - he wants to go flying he said. I can totally understand that. I TOO am starting to wonder if I SHOULD or SHOULDN'T take the time to do this Corvair conversion, ESPECIALLY if I can't get any support for it. You are absolutely right, this is NOT a way to do business. I am giving the Wynnes a chance to get back home, get settled and take care of some of their open ends they had before they left. I will try sending them another email and give them a call in a week or so. If anyone DOES get a response out of them, would you please keep us all informed so we know they are available again?

Thanks
Larry H

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Thanks Craig for the information. I did just as you suggested. I went over to the website and asked if anyone knows if/when the Wynnes might be available. If I hear anything back, I will forward it to everyone on this website that is interested.

Regards,
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

I just received this message from the CorvAircraft Group. Here is what Pat has said:

Larry,

I received a note from William and Grace the other day.
Here's the relevant part, edited.

I hope this helps.

Pat

"I sold our 601 and have applied the capitol to inventory. This should go a
long way to alleviating delays in orders. We sold the airframe and the
engine separately, but the total was over xxx, This has allowed me to pay
in advance for lots of stuff like 20 601 mounts, a giant round of gold hubs
and a lot of new gold oil parts."

As for me, I am thinking that the Wynnes have run out of working capital and aren't able to support the inventory required to fullfill all our orders for parts. I DID read over on the other sight that one gentleman has had his stainless steel intake on order since 2006. 2006????
I guess we all have to make up our own minds as to what our priorities are. To each his own I guess.

I am sending a copy of this to Mr Wynne's email address so he will be well aware of the questions going on. Maybe he will respond personally to the questions being asked and what is being said. I hope he responds.

Regards,
Larry H

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Hey Larry,

Spent all day at Sebring (I'm in Florida) on Friday and didn't see them there. Weren't on the exhibitor list either.

Larry H <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com> wrote:[quote] Hi Bill,

I too ordered a rebuild manual and installation manual for the 601. I ordered mine of Jan 6th and I mailed the release out to him that same day. I too wrote them one email and as of yet, no manuals or any response. Grace did write this before they left and this IS on their website:

"Due to a late start, we will be extending our break from answering the phone or e-mail through Jan. 8, 2008. In the meantime, in the spirit of my New Year's Resolution to celebrate Christmas every day, I will soon be sending out all Baffle Kits and every Cowling Kit we have. I waited until after the Holiday Mailing Season to post these because they are precision bent expensive parts that certainly didn't need to be unbent in the Christmas Crush. We shipped out a few more engines before Christmas, and a few more will also be going out shortly for arrival in plenty of time for Spring Break (again, apologies for the delays). I mailed several Distributors Dec. 31, 2007, including one to our Spanish Piet builder Jorge, plus 601 Intakes and Exhausts. All DVDs will go out next week as well. The majority of other items please consider Class "B" till the eighth."

Now I did also notice that they were planning to go to Sebring for the LSA Expo during Jan, 17th to 20th 2008. It DOES take time to finish their business there, pack up and drive back home. I'm not making any excuses for them, but I DO know how it is when you are traveling...and trying to conduct business along the way (to anyone that will listen to you about your product)

Here is the clincher for me. I saw where a gentleman on here was advertising his NEW Corvair engine and trying to sell it (has ZERO runtime hours). He said the only two things he was missing was the dual distributor and the intake manifold. He told me he has had both of these items on order now for a full YEAR and is tired of waiting on them - he wants to go flying he said. I can totally understand that. I TOO am starting to wonder if I SHOULD or SHOULDN'T take the time to do this Corvair conversion, comic sans ms; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-style: italic;">EAA Tech Counselor #4395

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Well Bill, I took the information directly off of their website in the "hanger section" : http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar.html

If you read what Grace wrote, you will find everything is written exactly as I posted it.

I'm like you. I don't know what to think now. I DID copy WW on one of my posts and if they read their email, they will be made well aware that people are wondering what in the world is going on....I will NOT start a project that I can't get parts for to complete it.....plain and simple fact of it all. I won't put myself through this type of unnecessary aggravation.

Regards

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

To All,

I have gotten a response from William but first I want to say a few words here.

I have written William back offline and have apologized directly to him if he took offense to what I had written on this forum. I expressed to him my (our) frustrations in regards to lack of information and timeliness of his responses to our orders our emails.

I told him of one other person I know that has decided to sell his Corvair conversion because he has been "waiting over a year now for his stainless steel intake manifold and distributor order from WW to come". This same person told me "he just wants to sell it now (his Corvair Conversion) and move on - he was going to buy a different powerplant and just go flying". That is his direct quote. (I had found all this out when I responded to his advertisement he posted on this forum to sell his Corvair engine.)

I told William I am the middle person here - a Newbie. I have only very limited amounts of information to go on. I also told him if I can't get any information coming from him, its EXTREMELY hard to make reasonable, logical decisiona as to what to do and which way to go. Should I continue on building this conversion, ALL KNOWING now there is a potential for all my plans to be quashed for lack of a major component or two - never getting my aircraft off the ground?? Like I said before, not hearing or knowing what is going on from him seems to only compound the problem. This whole mess could have, should have been diverted just from one simple phone call or a note on email to say, "hey there, got your order - updating manual, will ship in XX days - thanks for your order"..........simple clean. Didn't happen. No phone call either. I know I'm not the only one - just the STUPID ONE that took it upon himself to quit being so damned frustrated about it and decided to ASK WILLIAM MYSELF.......so I did.

***********************************************************************
Here is Williams words back to me - in its entirety and unedited

Larry,

Am I correct that the following paragraph was written to the list by you?

"As for me, I am thinking that the Wynnes have run out of working capital and aren't able to support the inventory required to fullfill all our orders for parts. I DID read over on the other sight that one gentleman has had his stainless steel intake on order since 2006. 2006???? "

If this was actually written to the list by yourself, Let me offer that my records indicate that you have two manuals on order with us, The installation manual is in stock, and we are doing a few minor updates to the conversion manual and expect to print and ship them shortly. We tend to ship both of the manuals together when they are ordered as a pair.

Our friend Pat only shared the note with you to explain that we are expanding the inventory. To take this and publicly imply that we are somehow out of funds is inaccurate and the kind of thing I least like about the Internet.

We have a handful of orders which are in excess of a year old. In each of these cases the builder has told us that they would gladly wait for any new and improved model. Notice that you have never heard of a single person saying they would like their money back and cant get it. Infrequently, some builders plans change, and we offer full refunds, no questions.

There are plenty of rip off companies in aviation. We are not one of them. I have a loyal fan base because I am a real homebuilder, and I have earned the respect of builders. I spend very little time on the computer. and treat E-mail like mail, not instant messages. All the rip off companies that took money and disappeared all had great websites and instant email responses, but no pictures of flying planes and no friends willing to vouch for them.

If you can look at the 10 years of working with homebuilders on my website and feel that there is a place for you among the world of Corvair builders, good we will have your manuals on the way in a few days. If not, I will be glad to refund your money and you can restart your search for a powerplant for your plane, You can certainly find companies with better email responses, but you will not find anyone who cares more about builders.

Please feel free to share this in full with the same lists the comments we posted on.


William Wynne
5000-18 US HWY 17 #247
ORANGE PARK, FL 32003
www.FlyCorvair.com/hangar.html


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Well, there you have it. I got an answer from William. I'm not sure how much has been cleared up for some of you. I can only hope some good came of all this.

I also have to add in here, I did tell William if I overstepped my bounds and have offended him, I wanted to apologize to him (both personally and publicly) and that I honestly didn't mean any harm. This of course, is all water under the bridge now and only he can answer that one.

If William does happen to read this posting, he DOES have my full permission to re-post my personal response to him on this forum in its entirety.

Regards to all,

Happy building and flying,

Larry H

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Thanks for the effort Larry

I am not like most here I am simply trying to decide on an engine and am some time away from actually making a decision. I really never worried about WWs response just added my name in because I am waiting on the order.

I did get more info from his website regarding the 701 Corvair tho and will read it with interest.



Randall J Hebert


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To All,

I have gotten a response from William but first I want to say a few words here.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

William did respond with another email to me, asking me the person's name that had made these statements to me. I gave William the name. William told me he would personally look into it and resolve this immediately. He said there should be no reason WHY this person would be saying this - if he owes him parts, he will do his best to clear this up.

William did also say that they have updated their webpage. As for those of us waiting on conversion manuals, William told me they are making a updates to them and would ship them out as soon as they are done. If you also ordered the CH601 installation manual along with the conversion manual, they usually ship them together, so hold tight and wait a bit longer please....they ARE coming soon!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:35 am    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Thanks for your efforts Larry! I think it probably makes all of us a little more comfortable. I don't doubt William's sincerity and am certain of his efforts and very comfortable with his engineering of the Corvair powerplant. I based my whole choice on going with the XL on using the corvair engine and it is certainly easy to get into the panic mode when you start hearing of problems. i am really anxious to get a core (although they seem tough to find here in Florida as some guy in Orange Park already got em all Smile ) and get started on the engine package. I know these things don't happen overnight and am very pleased to hear of Williams attention to this matter.
Larry H <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com> wrote:[quote] To All,

I have gotten a response from William but first I want to say a few words here.

I have written William back offline and have apologized directly to him if he took offense to what I had written on this forum. I expressed to him my (our) frustrations in regards to lack of information and timeliness of his responses to our orders our emails.

I told him of one other person I know that has decided to sell his Corvair conversion because he has been "waiting over a year now for his stainless steel intake manifold and distributor order from WW to come". This same person told me "he just wants to sell it now (his Corvair Conversion) and move on - he was going to buy a different powerplant and just go flying". That is his direct quote. (I had found all this out when I responded to his advertisement he posted on this forum to sell his Corvair engine.)

I told William I am the middle person here - a Newbie. I have only very limited amounts of information to go on. I also told him if I can't get any information coming from him, its EXTREMELY hard to make reasonable, logical decisiona as to what to do and which way to go. Should I continue on building this conversion, ALL KNOWING now there is a potential for all my plans to be quashed for lack of a major component or two - never getting my aircraft off the ground?? Like I said before, not hearing or knowing what is going on from him seems to only compound the problem. This whole mess could have, should have been diverted just from one simple phone call or a note on email to say, "hey there, got your order - updating manual, will ship in XX days - thanks for your order"..........simple clean. Didn't happen. No phone call either. I know I'm not the only one - just the STUPID ONE that took it upon himself to quit being so damned frustrated about it and decided to ASK WILLIAM MYSELF.......so I did.

***********************************************************************
Here is Williams words back to me - in its entirety and unedited

Larry,

Am I correct that the following paragraph was written to the list by you?

"As for me, I am thinking that the Wynnes have run out of working capital and aren't able to support the inventory required to fullfill all our orders for parts. I DID read over on the other sight that one gentleman has had his stainless steel intake on order since 2006. 2006???? "

If this was actually written to the list by yourself, Let me offer that my records indicate that you have two manuals on order with us, The installation manual is in stock, and we are doing a few minor updates to the conversion manual and expect to print and ship them shortly. We tend to ship both of the manuals together when they are ordered as a pair.

Our friend Pat only shared the note with you to explain that we are expanding the inventory. To take this and publicly imply that we are somehow out of funds is inaccurate and the kind of thing I least like about the Internet.

We have a handful of orders which are in excess of a year old. In each of these cases the builder has told us that they would gladly wait for any new and improved model. Notice that you have never heard of a single person saying they would like their money back and cant get it. Infrequently, some builders plans change, and we offer full refunds, no questions.

There are plenty of rip off companies in aviation. We are not one of them. I have a loyal fan base because I am a real homebuilder, and I have earned the respect of builders. I spend very little time on the computer. and treat E-mail like mail, not instant messages. All the rip off companies that took money and disappeared all had great websites and instant email responses, but no pictures of flying planes and no friends willing to vouch for them.

If you can look at the 10 years of working with homebuilders on my website and feel that there is a place for you among the world of Corvair builders, good we will have your manuals on the way in a few days. If not, I will be glad to refund your money and you can restart your search for a powerplant for your plane, You can certainly find companies with better email responses, but you will not find anyone who cares more about builders.

Please feel free to share this in full with the same lists the comments we posted on.


William Wynne
5000-18 US HWY 17 #247
ORANGE PARK, FL 32003
www.FlyCorvair.com/hangar.html


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Well, there you have it. I got an answer from William. I'm not sure how much has been cleared up for some of you. I can only hope some good came of all this.

I also have to add in here, I did tell William if I overstepped my bounds and have offended him, I wanted to apologize to him (both personally and publicly) and that I honestly didn't mean any harm. This of course, is all water under the bridge now and only he can answer that one.

If William does happen to read this posting, he DOES have my full permission to re-post my personal response to him on this forum in its entirety.

Regards to all,

Happy building and flying,


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Larry,

I thought you were leaving the list? That was many emails ago.

I love my Corvair. Coolest part of the plane.

Phil Maxson
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Northwest New Jersey
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:14:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Intro and William Wynn Question
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I have given up on the Corvair and I am going with another engine.  I have emailed 17 times with no response to any of them. I attended his class in Cloverdale, California Oct. 2006, which we had to pay to attend. His response then was to respond to emails faster. Well, at least I got a free hat out of it. Dealing with Tom Henderson is about the same. At least I am local and can take him to court!

Larry Husky
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Join the club. Great engine, but all you can do is wait on WW. If you're in a hurry go with an O-235. I often wonder if that's the way I should have gone.
      Bill
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

One thing that was suggested to me is to try to locate one of your local car clubs. The person that made this suggestion to me also suggested seeing if there is a Corvair Club specifically around in your area. He told me the cores we are looking for are NOT the cores the clubs are wanting and we should be able to find them for little or nothing....the clubs are wanting the turbo charged or higher performance blocks...one gentleman I chatted with told me he found 2 good cores for $150 for both. I would give $150 each! LOL.

Hope these suggestions help everyone out.
Larry H

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

This is a link to the national Corvair Society of America: www.corvair.org

A list of all 123 local chapters is here: www.corvair.org/csachap.php

-- Craig

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One thing that was suggested to me is to try to locate one of your local car clubs. The person that made this suggestion to me also suggested seeing if there is a Corvair Club specifically around in your area. He told me the cores we are looking for are NOT the cores the clubs are wanting and we should be able to find them for little or nothing....the clubs are wanting the turbo charged or higher performance blocks...one gentleman I chatted with told me he found 2 good cores for $150 for both. I would give $150 each! LOL.



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Larry H

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question Reply with quote

Randall-
Can't give you advice on the 701, but from what I've heard, it is a little too much. Address your questions to the 701 people for best results.
Good building!
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