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John H Murphy
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 Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Inadvertent spins |
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I've been reading several recent articles about spins. The latest was a piece in the AOPA Pilot written by Barry Schiff (December 07). Has any Kolb owners got themselves into a situation that resulted in a inadvertent spin? Any words of advise on what / how to avoid them? It looks like a spin in a landing situation is non recoverable, ie. fatal? I guess the last question, do any of you practice spins in your Kolb?
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planecrazzzy
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Inadvertent spins |
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Last year, there was a crash in a Kolb, (from a stall???)
I think they crashed "upside down"....
Sounds like a "inverted" stall/spin....
Those need quite a bit of alt to recover from.
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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R. Hankins
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Location: Grants Pass, Oregon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Inadvertent spins |
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John:
I have practiced spins in my KXP both to the left and right. Recovery is within 1/4 turn with relaxation of back pressure and release of crossed controls. I had to force the plane to get it to spin. I experimented by doing approach stalls while holding increasing amounts of cross control. I was able to get the Firestar to drop a wing this way, but it really didn't want to spin. I had to sharpen the stall break and put in maximum control to get it to go around. When it does spin, it rotates quickly!
I should add, that the manual that came with my kit advised against spins.
Waiting for the rain and fog to lift.........
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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: Inadvertent spins |
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John, First know what your aircraft's weight and balance situation. Make sure it's in factory recommended range then go out and practice stall recovery. Departure stalls and approach stalls are like mid air collisions, most happen near airports. There is no need to intentionally spin your aircraft, just learn how a stall feels and what it takes to break it and recover. If you want to do spins, get training in an aircraft known to have good recovery characteristics before you try it for yourself. Worth what you paid for it.
Rick Girard
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On Jan 27, 2008 10:41 AM, John H Murphy <mailjohnmurphy(at)gmail.com (mailjohnmurphy(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John H Murphy" <mailjohnmurphy(at)gmail.com (mailjohnmurphy(at)gmail.com)>
I've been reading several recent articles about spins. The latest was a piece in the AOPA Pilot written by Barry Schiff (December 07). Has any Kolb owners got themselves into a situation that resulted in a inadvertent spin? Any words of advise on what / how to avoid them? It looks like a spin in a landing situation is non recoverable, ie. fatal? I guess the last question, do any of you practice spins in your Kolb?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160656#160656
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by0ung(at)brigham.net
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: inadvertent spins |
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Has any Kolb owners got themselves into a situation that resulted in a
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inadvertent spin? Any words of advise on what / how to avoid them? It looks
like a spin in a landing situation is non recoverable, i.e. fatal? I guess
the last question, do any of you practice spins in your Kolb?
I did a few spins during the test phase just to see how it would respond...
each time the mark III recovered very nicely, I did not have to go to
opposite controls... just relax the controls and it came right out.. at
first I recovered at the first sign of the spin.. and progressed to a fully
developed spin. All without problems... that day was the first and last day
I have ever done spin practice in the kolb..... in order to get into the
spin I had to really try to get into one by forcing a lot of rudder at the
stall... it would be hard to get into a spin without ignoring the warning
signs. I have stalled the kolb many times and if you keep the nose pointing
straight with use of the rudder and relax the back pressure when you feel
the stall buffeting, you are not likely to spin. Depending on the power
setting you will even get some different sounds from the prop as you
approach stall. Just keep your speed up and you should not stall to a
spin... I hear of pilots that fly base to final at just above stall....
to me that is asking for trouble, low level wind sheers, momentary loss of
attention, etc, will cause problems.... these planes will lose their
airspeed so quickly in a flair, that I fly fast all the way to the flair.
Now if you have to come into a very short field... you would slow down a
bit sooner, but anything 1000 ft or more, keep your speed up. The time
when you are going to mess up is when you are coming into a field that you
have used 1000 times before, you put yourself in kind of an autopilot mode
and don't pay as much attention to details as you should... when you are
out of your element you will be paying more attention and have a better
chance of survival.
Now because my plane exited from a spin without issue!!!!! Please don't
try it without proper training, safety chute, etc,, your mileage may vary.
Stall spins have and will kill pilots flying all makes and models of planes.
Boyd
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