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Jon Reining

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 37

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: Costs of Flying in Europe

Michael and others,



My wife and I are considering a job in Munich and I’m wondering about the costs of flying in Europe.  Last year we were all abuzz with the possibility of user fees and a system similar to that in Europe.  Many articles said it was expensive, but how much?  I'm sure they were trying to use the worst case scenario to get us to oppose user fees (don't worry, I oppose) but what is the reality?



I went online and looked up a couple of aeroclubs in Munich with their own strips – one close to downtown the other further out.



Say you just want to go out for:

•	A couple of touch and go’s 

•	Take up a couple friends for a sight seeing flight around town

•	Fly about 45 minutes to your favorite lunch spot

•	Fly from Munich to Rome to visit the in-laws



Roughly how much would each of these scenarios cost if flown VFR only?  Can you fly VFR only?  Does it make sense to ship over the Citabria?  I'm guessing it would have to go though a German registration process - how onerous is that?  (My guess is sell the Citabria and buy something else already registered in Germany once there.)



Thanks for any help!

Jon

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Mike Whisky

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 336
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Costs of Flying in Europe

Hi Jon,

good to hear from you. There are a couple things to consider. First of all Countries in Europe have totally different prices when it comes to landing fees etc. I general you can say that the fuel is definitely more expensive than in the US.

In Landshut 1 Liter  was in September '07 2.11 Euro per Liter that is about 8 $ a gallon.

A good comparison gives you the following link of charter prices. http://www.eddh.de/info/charter.html 

As far as I remember from Oshkosh you speak German,  else I can still translate 

Landing fees are between 5-20 Euros and it depends sometimes if you are local pilot or club member.

But flying from Munich gives you beautiful opportunities to fly to the Alps and visit my home country Austria or help me sanding all the composite stuff in Switzerland 

Near Munich in Tannheim is also Tannkosh Europe biggest Flyin (guess where they took the name from) once a year. Drop me a line if you want more info.



You can fly a N registered plane also in Europe so no need to register it D. But it makes sense to consult an expert when it comes to this stuff.

Michael

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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: Costs of Flying in Europe

Jon,



there are several N registered plans flying in Europe so that might be 

something to consider, you just need to get an approval from the LBA 

(the German FAA) to fly your plane in Europe and you have to stick to 

the US rules concerning inspection, insurance etc. (check with the FAA). 

Just any landing/touch will cost you money and as Michael told fuel is 

expensive!



BTW "Tankosh" is pretty much in between Munich and Michaels homtown Zurich!



Let us know if we can help more!



Werner



Jon Reining wrote:

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 Michael and others,



 My wife and I are considering a job in Munich and I’m wondering about the costs of flying in Europe.  Last year we were all abuzz with the possibility of user fees and a system similar to that in Europe.  Many articles said it was expensive, but how much?  I'm sure they were trying to use the worst case scenario to get us to oppose user fees (don't worry, I oppose) but what is the reality?



 I went online and looked up a couple of aeroclubs in Munich with their own strips – one close to downtown the other further out.



 Say you just want to go out for:

 •	A couple of touch and go’s 

 •	Take up a couple friends for a sight seeing flight around town

 •	Fly about 45 minutes to your favorite lunch spot

 •	Fly from Munich to Rome to visit the in-laws



 Roughly how much would each of these scenarios cost if flown VFR only?  Can you fly VFR only?  Does it make sense to ship over the Citabria?  I'm guessing it would have to go though a German registration process - how onerous is that?  (My guess is sell the Citabria and buy something else already registered in Germany once there.)



 Thanks for any help!

 Jon





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