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cookwithgas

Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Posts: 159

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: Phase I Test Flight Testing

Hi guys:



For those of you who can fly out of your FAA imposed triangle, what did you do after your 25 or 40 hours?  



1.  Notify the FAA that you are finished and wait for instruction?

2.  Do nothing, just grab a passenger and fly south to some place warm?

3.  Fill out a form, hire a notary, get it stamped and hang a copy on your wall?

4.  Sell your airplane and start building another?



My FAA guy said to notify him when I was getting close to the 40 hours and I'm not sure why.  He had me do some other non-standard things also and I'm wondering if this is necessary or if I can just grab a passenger and fly south.  



Thanks in advance,



Scott Laughlin

Living in the Great Frozen North

601XL / Corvair Finished & Flying

www.cooknwithgas.com

Aerolitellc(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: Phase I Test Flight Testing

You make a log entry and have fun.



Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. 

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Phase I Test Flight Testing

I just logged the completion of the phase I testing in the aircraft 

logbook using the prescribed language then signed and dated it with my 

airman certificate number. No notary and no FAA notification.



cookwithgas wrote:

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 Hi guys:

 

 For those of you who can fly out of your FAA imposed triangle, what did you do after your 25 or 40 hours?  

 

 1.  Notify the FAA that you are finished and wait for instruction?

 2.  Do nothing, just grab a passenger and fly south to some place warm?

 3.  Fill out a form, hire a notary, get it stamped and hang a copy on your wall?

 4.  Sell your airplane and start building another?

 

 My FAA guy said to notify him when I was getting close to the 40 hours and I'm not sure why.  He had me do some other non-standard things also and I'm wondering if this is necessary or if I can just grab a passenger and fly south.  

 

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: Phase I Test Flight Testing

Hi Scott,

In your aircraft log, place an entry that says:



I  certify that the prescribed flight test hours have been completed and 

the

aircraft is controllable throughout its normal range of speeds and 

maneuvers to be

executed, has no hazardous characteristics or design features, and is 

safe for operation.

This aircraft operating data has been demonstrated during the flight 

testing: Speeds Vso =__

Vx = __, Vy = __, and the weight = ____, and CG location = __ in. at 

which they were

obtained.

Signed ___________________  Date ______



That's just about it.  Then do some serious destination flight planning.

Congratulations Scott,



Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com



cookwithgas wrote:

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 Hi guys:



 For those of you who can fly out of your FAA imposed triangle, what did you do after your 25 or 40 hours?  



 1.  Notify the FAA that you are finished and wait for instruction?

 2.  Do nothing, just grab a passenger and fly south to some place warm?

 3.  Fill out a form, hire a notary, get it stamped and hang a copy on your wall?

 4.  Sell your airplane and start building another?



 My FAA guy said to notify him when I was getting close to the 40 hours and I'm not sure why.  He had me do some other non-standard things also and I'm wondering if this is necessary or if I can just grab a passenger and fly south.  



 Thanks in advance,



 Scott Laughlin

 Living in the Great Frozen North

 601XL / Corvair Finished & Flying

 www.cooknwithgas.com





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161347#161347

cookwithgas

Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Posts: 159

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing

Thanks Larry:



Your website and project encouraged me tremendously while I was building.



Thanks for all the help,



Scott Laughlin

601XL / Corvair

Finished & Flying

www.cooknwithgas.com

leinad

Joined: 19 Sep 2006
Posts: 283
Location: Central Virginia

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing

Scott,

First I wanted to congratulate you.  Great job!   

As to your question.  I guess I'm confused by the responses, and it's probably my misconception.   I thought that before you finished your X number of hours of phase 1 testing, the FAA issued a conditional airworthiness certificate, that limited you to flight testing only.  And it was only after completion that they issued a normal airworthiness certificate.  I assumed the limitations on the conditional certificate would stipulate NO passengers.

I haven't finished building, so I ask, Is that incorrect?

Dan

 	  cookwithgas wrote: 	
		  Hi guys:



For those of you who can fly out of your FAA imposed triangle, what did you do after your 25 or 40 hours?  



1.  Notify the FAA that you are finished and wait for instruction?

2.  Do nothing, just grab a passenger and fly south to some place warm?

3.  Fill out a form, hire a notary, get it stamped and hang a copy on your wall?

4.  Sell your airplane and start building another?



My FAA guy said to notify him when I was getting close to the 40 hours and I'm not sure why.  He had me do some other non-standard things also and I'm wondering if this is necessary or if I can just grab a passenger and fly south.  



Thanks in advance,



Scott Laughlin

Living in the Great Frozen North

601XL / Corvair Finished & Flying

www.cooknwithgas.com

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing

Not there yet but the AW limitations I have seen were written in a way that created the two phases with one phrase.



 	  leinad wrote: 	
		  Scott,

First I wanted to congratulate you.  Great job!   

As to your question.  I guess I'm confused by the responses, and it's probably my misconception.   I thought that before you finished your X number of hours of phase 1 testing, the FAA issued a conditional airworthiness certificate, that limited you to flight testing only.  And it was only after completion that they issued a normal airworthiness certificate.  I assumed the limitations on the conditional certificate would stipulate NO passengers.

I haven't finished building, so I ask, Is that incorrect?

Dan

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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: Phase I Test Flight Testing

Scott, I just started flying paxs. Nor was I requested to notify anyone other than my records and log books. Course I had a Great DAR instead of the Federal Government employee/bureaucrat to deal with so it's your call. It maybe he was just concerned and wants a friendly/unofficial update? It could happen. Hope to see you at S n F this April and best regards, Bill of Georgia 

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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Phase I Test Flight Testing

On my two other homebuilts I was given Phase one and Phase two at the same 

time.  AFTER completion of Phase one I signed the logs and went into the 

second Phase which was a permanent thing.



SW

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: Phase I Test Flight Testing

steve,

you are correct, that is the way its done. Some guys are confusing Phase two as some fly off requirement. 

Juan



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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: Phase I Test Flight Testing

After my airworthiness inspection, the DAR gave me the pink copy of the 

airworthiness certificate and the operating limitations which authorized 

me to start the Phase I testing of my airplane. A few weeks later I 

received the permanent airworthiness certificate from the FAA. Later, 

when I completed the phase I testing, I signed it off in my aircraft 

logbook, as specified by the operating limitations, and transitioned to 

Phase II. There was no "conditional" certificate issued. No further 

contact with the FAA was necessary.



leinad wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Scott,

 First I wanted to congratulate you.  Great job!   

 As to your question.  I guess I'm confused by the responses, and it's probably my misconception.   I thought that before you finished your X number of hours of phase 1 testing, the FAA issued a conditional airworthiness certificate, that limited you to flight testing only.  And it was only after completion that they issued a normal airworthiness certificate.  I assumed the limitations on the conditional certificate would stipulate NO passengers.

 I haven't finished building, so I ask, Is that incorrect?

 Dan

 

 

 


	


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Zenith 601XL N61BM

Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive

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leinad

Joined: 19 Sep 2006
Posts: 283
Location: Central Virginia

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing

Bryan,

And everyone else that helped explained it.  Thanks! I'm glad I got that misconception out of the way.

Dan Dempsey



 	  bryanmmartin wrote: 	
		  After my airworthiness inspection, the DAR gave me the pink copy of the 

airworthiness certificate and the operating limitations which authorized 

me to start the Phase I testing of my airplane. A few weeks later I 

received the permanent airworthiness certificate from the FAA. Later, 

when I completed the phase I testing, I signed it off in my aircraft 

logbook, as specified by the operating limitations, and transitioned to 

Phase II. There was no "conditional" certificate issued. No further 

contact with the FAA was necessary.



leinad wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Scott,

 First I wanted to congratulate you.  Great job!   

 As to your question.  I guess I'm confused by the responses, and it's probably my misconception.   I thought that before you finished your X number of hours of phase 1 testing, the FAA issued a conditional airworthiness certificate, that limited you to flight testing only.  And it was only after completion that they issued a normal airworthiness certificate.  I assumed the limitations on the conditional certificate would stipulate NO passengers.

 I haven't finished building, so I ask, Is that incorrect?

 Dan

 

 

 



	


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Zenith 601XL N61BM

Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive

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