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bigboyzt0yz

Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 29
Location: Centeral Maryland

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Cargo area?

I have looked at a couple of other planes (highlander Video on You tube) and on just Planes link. It shows them putting a dog in the back and a then a little scooter(not at the same time). I was wondering has any one found a GOOD way to use the space and if so how do you gain access to the area with out hurting the plane. And then there is the issue of having weight behind the CG to deal with.

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Cargo area?

At 06:58 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote:

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		  I was wondering has any one found a GOOD way to use the space and if 

so how do you gain access to the area with out hurting the plane. 

And then there is the issue of having weight behind the CG to deal with.


	


         I think it depends on the plane. My IV has a nice cubical 

baggage compartment behind the seats good for 40 pounds of stuff. 

It's probably 24"W x 24"L x 24"H, maybe a little wider. I think the 

later models have even larger capacity, whereas the 1-3 models had 

very little room due to the flaperon mechanism.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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avidfox

Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 87

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Cargo area?

Attached are some pictures of access to the baggage\cargo compartment on a stock Series 5. Max weight is 150 lbs.



Steve

"5" 912UL

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Cargo area?

I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether  

this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or  

whether it is a weight and balance thing. I've calc'd the weight for  

my plane and I *could* add more than that, but I'd be afraid to,  

because of the velcro. Mine is covered by a...again...velcro'd panel  

of the same fabric as that used on the seats. I've loaded 39 lbs 10  

oz's into this sack with no problems. Others have fabricated a metal  

container back there.

As far as a "GOOD" way to use the space, I carry a tent, sleeping  

bag, folding chair, air mattress, air pump, pillow, collapsible  

cooler, tools...you get the idea.



Lynn Matteson

Grass Lake, Michigan

Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200

flying w/460+ hrs

On Jan 29, 2008, at 9:58 PM, bigboyzt0yz wrote:



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 I have looked at a couple of other planes (highlander Video on You  

 tube) and on just Planes link. It shows them putting a dog in the  

 back and a then a little scooter(not at the same time). I was  

 wondering has any one found a GOOD way to use the space and if so  

 how do you gain access to the area with out hurting the plane. And  

 then there is the issue of having weight behind the CG to deal with.



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Cargo area?

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		  I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether 

this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or 

whether it is a weight and balance thing 	




Lynn, I have eyelets on my baggage sack and I use tie wraps to hold it in place.  This I feel is more secure than Velcro.  I have pondered making a alum bin behind seat, but not got to it yet.

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: Cargo area?

At 09:04 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether

this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or

whether it is a weight and balance thing.


	


         The question is, would your sack handle 3.8g's x 40 pounds 

or 152 pounds? If not, you should seriously consider reinforcing it, 

because your elevator pushrod is right below it, and a bent pushrod 

might ruin your day. (Not to mention running afoul of the flaperon 

system.) I suspect you could see well over 3.8g's in the baggage 

compartment if you hit just the right kind of bump, I designed mine 

for 6g's / 240 pounds. I tested it by jumping up and down on it with 

my 195 pounds.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: Cargo area?

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		  I was wondering as well how you gain acess to that area do I need ot 

make a trap door in the side.


	


         Mine is accessed from the slope behind and above the seats. 

The opening is small, probably 18 x 18, which limits what you can put 

in. You certainly won't be putting in any folding bicycles! You can, 

however, get camping gear in, as long as it's separated. (You can't 

get a full size backpack in.)

         I've attached three pictures. One shows the baggage opening 

behind the seat. One shows half the baggage opening with the baggage 

structure, but no side panels, and one good shot of the baggage 

structure without the panels. Unfortunately I don't presently have 

any shots with panels, but the panels are honeycomb glass on the 

bottom and corrugated plastic on the sides. The baggage structure is 

the silver aluminum angles. The white tubes are fuselage structure 

and the silver tubes are fuel lines.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: Cargo area?

At 08:39 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote:

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		  Attached are some pictures of access to the baggagecargo compartment 

on a stock Series 5. Max weight is 150 lbs.



Steve

"5" 912UL


	


         What an ingenious idea, splitting the turtledeck so you have 

hatch access as well as internal access! I wish I'd thought of it, 

although I guess it isn't too late to make a new turtledeck.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Deceased K-IV 1200
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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: Cargo area?

I forgot all about the 3.8g thing. I did make a stiff bottom for it,  

and have from time to time thought about a more rigid "sack", but no  

plan in mind yet. Guess I'd better get to thinkin'.

Lynn Matteson

Grass Lake, Michigan

Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200

flying w/460+ hrs

On Jan 30, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:

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 At 09:04 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote:

> I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether

> this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or

> whether it is a weight and balance thing.

         The question is, would your sack handle 3.8g's x 40 pounds  

 or 152 pounds? If not, you should seriously consider reinforcing  

 it, because your elevator pushrod is right below it, and a bent  

 pushrod might ruin your day. (Not to mention running afoul of the  

 flaperon system.) I suspect you could see well over 3.8g's in the  

 baggage compartment if you hit just the right kind of bump, I  

 designed mine for 6g's / 240 pounds. I tested it by jumping up and  

 down on it with my 195 pounds.

 Guy Buchanan

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: Re: Cargo area?

I would like to make mine more like Guy's but with both inside and out side access.

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Cargo area?

Same here Dave...making an aluminum box, that is.



Lynn Matteson

Grass Lake, Michigan

Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200

flying w/460+ hrs

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On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:23 AM, dave wrote:



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> I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether

> this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or

> whether it is a weight and balance thing

 Lynn, I have eyelets on my baggage sack and I use tie wraps to hold  

 it in place.  This I feel is more secure than Velcro.  I have  

 pondered making a alum bin behind seat, but not got to it yet.



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: Cargo area?

I have a small cargo compartment in my plane, no interior access but a small

door behind the pilot door.  It is a great place to put emergency gear,

fishing tackle or fly dope.  The down side is the rear wall of the

compartment is not removable so installing an external antenna on the tab

designed for it is out of the question at this time.  I might be able to get

back there under the compartment if I removed the seats and disconnected

some of the flight controls.  I suppose I could cut another access panel

behind the compartment on the left side of the plane but I don't want the

plane to start looking like a Swiss Army Knife.



Noel



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