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sales(at)billandruth.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: Smoke System

Hi All,

 

 I would like to install a smoke system in my Lightning.  Is this feasible, has it been done and where do you get the hardware to make this work?

 

 I have been looking at this web site for a system and have made inquiries about their system:  http://www.skysmoke.com/contact.htm

 

 Bill in Tucson

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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: Smoke System

Bill,

    In another thread you were talking about the control stops.  All controls are "stopped" by their butting up against the wing, tail, whatever.  This is fairly typical of light aircraft, particularly of light sport aircraft.  It is an easy and safe system and minimizes weight.  One thing that I don't think that I mentioned before was that when I did my gap seal experiment on the Lightning, we put a 1 inch line of mylar tape along these "touch points".  You can probably find 1/2 inch long mylar tape as well.  You most likely will use white like we did, but you can get clear.  (problem with clear is that it yellows with age)  For the most part you never would have seen this tape, but it will protect the paint from skuffing.  In my case I was using it for a rub strip against the mylar gap seals.  I believe that we stumbled upon this additional use for it though and think that Nick left it on the demonstrator even after we removed the test section of gap seals.  

  

 The benefits of the gap seals were clear.  they work.  To simplify things, my recommendation on that front would be to extend the lip of the trailing edge of the wing back further in future kits by changing the molds.  I don't know how easy that would be to do, but that way there's no maintenance of the seals, no need to spend time for installation, and no danger if one of them came loose.  A partial gap cover would be the way to go.  Brian W.

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 Hi All,



I would like to install a smoke system in my Lightning.  Is this feasible, has it been done and where do you get the hardware to make this work?



I have been looking at this web site for a system and have made inquiries about their system:  http://www.skysmoke.com/contact.htm



Bill in Tucson

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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Smoke System

Try  this one for comparison. I have a friend that uses one of these. Expensive but  they do work.

 Larry

  

 http://www.smokingairplanes.com/

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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Smoke System

Bill, 

     Reference the smoke system, I was going to  recommend you call the IAC offices at EAA because I often see smoke systems  advertised in the monthly magazine, Sport Aerobatics.  However the link  that Larry sent you looks good to me.  It certainly beats what we had to go  through years ago when we put smoke systems in our aerobatic aircraft.  We  had to find every part from various sources, then experiment to get them to work  right together.  Such questions as nozzle sizes, nozzle placement, electric  pump pressure, hose sizes, etc. took lots of experimenting.  The  system that Larry mentioned includes everything you should need.

     Having said all the above, I just have to ask  why?  Sure, it is your airplane, and it should be exactly what you want,  but what will you use it for?  We could not use them in competition (only  airshows), and you really had to clean off the belly after every use.  I  assume they still use Texaco Corvis oil for the smoke and inject it  into both exhaust pipes (a certain distance from the exhaust  end). This distance was kind of critical to get a good smoke density  and not just oil spray that would really make a mess.   Anyway,  have fun and let us know what the Tuscon authorities say when they meet you  at the airport to find out what kind of terrorist act you were committing by  gassing the locals on the ground.  Just kidding of course, but I seem to  remember that actually happened a number of years ago when an aerobatic guy let  off some smoke over a little league game.  

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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: Smoke System

Hi Larry,

 

 Thanks for your reply.  I've looked at this product and am pursuing others because of size and overall cost..............Bill.

 

 Larry Eubanks wrote:

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   Larry

    

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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Smoke System

Buz,

 

 Thanks for the input about smoke systems.

 

 I want to install one primarily because of safety concerns.  The side and head/tail views of this aircraft are exceptionally small and I fly out of a very busy airport with lots of student training and in an area that forces aircraft into a relatively small transition area.  We are bounded by mountains to the North and East and military and civilian airports to the south and southwest with high hills to the West.  Also, I just think it's really cool and I don't see other aircraft as well as when I was flying fighters!  Consequently, "smoke on" may help them to see me..........Bill.

 

 

 

 

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 [quote]            Bill, 

       Reference the smoke system, I was going to recommend you call the IAC offices at EAA because I often see smoke systems advertised in the monthly magazine, Sport Aerobatics.  However the link that Larry sent you looks good to me.  It certainly beats what we had to go through years ago when we put smoke systems in our aerobatic aircraft.  We had to find every part from various sources, then experiment to get them to work right together.  Such questions as nozzle sizes, nozzle placement, electric pump pressure, hose sizes, etc. took lots of experimenting.  The system that Larry mentioned includes everything you should need.

       Having said all the above, I just have to ask why?  Sure, it is your airplane, and it should be exactly what you want, but what will you use it for?  We could not use them in competition (only airshows), and you really had to clean off the belly after every use.  I assume they still use Texaco Corvis oil for the smoke and inject it into both exhaust pipes (a certain distance from the exhaust end). This distance was kind of critical to get a good smoke density and not just oil spray that would really make a mess.   Anyway, have fun and let us know what the Tuscon authorities say when they meet you at the airport to find out what kind of terrorist act you were committing by gassing the locals on the ground.  Just kidding of course, but I seem to remember that actually happened a number of years ago when an aerobatic guy let off some smoke over a little league game.  

   Blue Skies,

   Buz 

   

   

   

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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: Smoke System

In a message dated 2/6/2008 10:27:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  sales(at)billandruth.net writes:

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		  I fly    out of a very busy airport with lots of student training and in an area that    forces aircraft into a relatively small transition  area. 	


 

 Bill,

     Which airport?  And what's the old name for  Ryan field?  That is where I was teaching a friend slow rolls in his  Starduster and the cowling came off.  The right side caught on the flying  wires and I really had a hand full of  yaw / drag, but got it down  OK.  I think he is still "wetting" his pants.    

     Having been stationed in Arizona twice for a total  of about nine years I am very familiar with the area.  First time was six  years at Luke instructing in the F-4 and then on the initial F-15 ISD  Team.  I was just back from two combat tours so could stay in one place for  a while.   Built my Pitts while there.  Second time I was the  Base Commander at the Gila Bend gunnery ranges (now Barry Goldwater  Ranges).  Got an OK from the pentagon to keep my Bonanza at the base and  used it to fly to and from Luke for meetings with the Air Division.  Also  used it to ferry VIPs over the 2.7 million acres of the ranges so they could see  first hand what the Air Force was doing there.  I kept the Pitts at  Goodyear, but occasionally brought it to the base.  Believe it or not, I  really enjoyed the assignment and it got me promoted to O-6.  Left  there to go back into the F-4 as the DCO at George.  From there went  to Langley at the Deputy Inspector General for Air Combat Command.  Boy  time flies when you are having fun.

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 Buz  

  



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