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rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

Listers,



On my RV-6A forward floor I have sound insulation between the fore and 

aft angles. It is the thickness of one side of the angles. So the 

surface of the insulation is flush with the edges of the angles. Over 

the insulation I have placed carpeting with a foam back. So far, I have 

used common double-stick carpet tape to hold the carpet in place. It has 

been minimally successful in keeping the carpeting from moving under my 

feet and the passenger's feet. After a few flights, I find that the 

carpeting slid a few inches and has buckled under my feet.



My question is: have you found other means of keeping carpeting in place?



Thanks in advance.



Regards,



Richard Dudley

n616tb(at)btsapps.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

Hi Richard,



I have installed my carpet and insulation exactly the same as you.  I have

had the same problem and used a little contact cement around the edges.  My

last flight I had a passenger that had wrestles legs and he managed to get

it all loose and waded up on that side again.  I think a bit more contact

cement will go on unless someone else comes up with something from your

post.



Tim



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eddyfernan(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

I had the same problem in my 9A and nothing would hold long term.  I ended up "pop riveting" (the horror) a couple of small pieces of 1/8" angles at the aft end of the floor angles each with a nut plate for a #8 screw.  Then I put the carpet back on and placed a #8 screw with a larger diameter washer through the carpet and into the nut plate.  No more buckled up carpet in the last year.  Hope that helps.

 

 

 Eddy Fernandez

 RV9A

 210 hrs 

 

 

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Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

In a message dated 01/27/2008 3:57:19 PM Central Standard Time, rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net writes:

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		  have you found other means of keeping carpeting in place? 	


 You could glue or screw it to some thin, lightweight cabinet grade plywood something like shown here:

  

 http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7449

  

 But take care that the finished product doesn't corrupt the connection between your feet and brake pedals:

  

 http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7450

  

 Maybe something as simple as a coulple of screws at the rear of the carpets anchored to something attached at the rear of the floor stiffeners near the spar?

  

 Mark



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capsteve

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: NIAGARA FALLS NY

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

a great way to secure carpets but keep them removable is to install snaps in

the corners. in the picture, #1845 would be riveted to the floor and 

1825 and 1830 get squeezed to the carpet. very common in the marine world,

the press and snap tool costs about 95$ so you might just visit a local

canvas expert. the hardware is very inexpensive (stainless). 



Steven dinieri

capsteve(at)adelphia.net

Iflyrv10.com



 



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sam95037(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Carpet Security

Steve

  Any recommendations on where to get 1845, 1825, 1830

online?



Sam

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rv9jim(at)juno.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: Carpet Security

Richard,

        I thought that Van's had a web site where someone had solved that

problem.  I believe that it was glued down.  The bottom of the carpet was

covered with contact glue and allowed to dry and then glued down with a

second layer of glue that is allowed to almost dry.  The contact cement

provided the attachment to the aluminum floor and having the glue put on

the backing of the carpet made sure that the joint would be very tough.  

Jim Nelson

dwntzl(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Carpet Security

Hello

     I also used foam for insulation (heat and noise) but decided rather than carpet to install an aluminum floor over it. R & L half cut to fit  -   .016 Alum (McMaster Carr), 4 screws each side, lightweight, doesn't shift, easy to keep clean.

  David Wentzell, Port St. Joe, FL

  RV6  -  233DW  -  280 hrs.



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Painless

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Peshtigo, Wisconsin

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Carpet Security

This is a timely thread, as I too have been dealing with my carpeting 

getting all bunched up.  I submit the following as a possible fix that I 

wanted to bounce off the list....



I have used (as many others have) Flightline interior's kit, which included 

a very stiff, durable styrofoam for insulating the floor.  It is thick 

enough to be flush with with foor stiffeners, and the carpet is then laid 

over it.  Mine is held in place just by the snug fit the separate pieces 

have between the floor stiffeners.



I suggest that a channel of aluminum is made or pruchased to fit the 

thickness of that foam.  Then rivet that to the underside of the carpet at 

the edge which goes up against the wing spar and positioned between where 

the floor stiffeners are.  This could be done by several pop rivets with 

washers on the carpet side, or a strip of aluminum can be used to sandwich 

the carpet between it and the aluminum channel.



Get the carpet in postion fore, aft, side to side, and then lift the pack 

edge of the foam up from between the stiffeners to expose its aft edge. 

Insert the aft edge of the foam into the channel and then press the whole 

works back down between the stiffeners.



This should keep the carpet from shifting forward, which is the only 

direction that mine wants to move.  The foam shouldn't buckle up by the 

force on its back edge, because your feet will still be pressing down on it 

as well.  This is all relative to getting in and out.



You can then use carpet tape or even velcro on the forward edge and the 

sides.



How does this sound, folks?  I'd appreciate any comments, refinements.



Regards,



Jeff Orear

RV6A  N782P

Peshtigo, WI

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rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

Thanks to all who responded so far with a great variety of 9 approaches.

I believe that I will try the Velcro approach next. It appears the 

easiest for me to me to try now while I have things apart for my annual.

If that works for me I'll stop there. If not, I'll try one of the others 

that requires some more drilling and riveting.



Best regards,



Richard Dudley

stevea(at)svpal.org
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

Sam,



No idea....I haven't looked for them.  They may be available at a local 

fabric store.



Steve

sam ray wrote:

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 Steve

   Any recommendations on where to get 1845, 1825, 1830

 online?



 Sam

 80262





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bobbyhester(at)newwavecom
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

I have Classic Aero's carpet, it has thick sound proofing foam glued to 

the back and it is slotted to fit between the angles. It comes with 

velcro but I didn't use it.

It stays in place pretty good since the thick foam is glued to it, it 

keeps it from bunching up.



http://www.classicaerodesigns.com/



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Richard Dudley wrote:

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 Thanks to all who responded so far with a great variety of 9 approaches.

 I believe that I will try the Velcro approach next. It appears the 

 easiest for me to me to try now while I have things apart for my annual.

 If that works for me I'll stop there. If not, I'll try one of the 

 others that requires some more drilling and riveting.



 Best regards,



 Richard Dudley

capsteve

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: NIAGARA FALLS NY

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

try

	http://www.atrim.com/Page106.html



there is a snap kit #K22920--$6.95 EA that installs the snaps onto the

carpet.

if you can find somehow to install the snaps on the carpet i will give you

the rest of the stuff to do it.. 



Steven dinieri	

capsteve(at)adelphia.net	

Iflyrv10.com



 



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HCRV6(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

Re Velcro, a word of caution.  If you use the self stick kind you can expect it to start shifting and slipping around before long and making a real mess, I'm sure you can guess how I know.  Get the Velcro that doesn't have an adhesive backing and glue it down to stay with a good quality, like 3M, contact cement.

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RV-6 N16CX, flying - 432 hours



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From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net>

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 Thanks to all who responded so far with a great variety of 9 approaches.

 I believe that I will try the Velcro approach next. It appears the 

 easiest for me to me to try now while I have things apart for my annual.

 If that works for me I'll stop there. If not, I'll try one of the others 

 that requires some more drilling and riveting.

 

 Best regards,

 

 Richard Dudley

Vanremog(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

In a message dated 2/4/2008 7:00:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  HCRV6(at)comcast.net writes:

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		  Re    Velcro, a word of caution.  If you use the self stick kind you can expect    it to start shifting and slipping around before long and making a real mess,    I'm sure you can guess how I know.  Get the Velcro that doesn't have an    adhesive backing and glue it down to stay with a good quality, like 3M,    contact cement. 	


 

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 Or Gorilla Glue.

  

  N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 883hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon  Valley) 





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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: Carpet Security

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog(at)aol.com

 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:59 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Carpet Security  

In a message dated 2/4/2008 7:00:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, HCRV6(at)comcast.net writes:  

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Re Velcro, a word of caution.  If you use the self stick kind you can expect it to start shifting and slipping around before long and making a real mess, I'm sure you can guess how I know.  Get the Velcro that doesn't have an adhesive backing and glue it down to stay with a good quality, like 3M, contact cement.  	

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Or Gorilla Glue.  

[Tim]   

 Yikes!! What out for that stuff it foams and multiplies in quantity by as much as three times.  If you use this, be warned.  

N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 883hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon  Valley)   

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emrath(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Carpet Security

I seem to recall that Bob Nuckolls of Aeroelectric-list recommends heating

the self sticking side of Velcro prior to attaching and you will have a

horible time getting it off later if needed!

Marty



Time: 08:03:46 PM PST US

From: Vanremog(at)aol.com

Subject: Re: Carpet Security

In a message dated 2/4/2008 7:00:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  

HCRV6(at)comcast.net writes:



Re  Velcro, a word of caution.  If you use the self stick kind you can

expect 

 it to start shifting and slipping around before long and making a real

mess, 

 I'm sure you can guess how I know.  Get the Velcro that doesn't have an  

adhesive backing and glue it down to stay with a good quality, like 3M,

contact



cement.

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Or Gorilla Glue.

N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 883hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon  Valley)

Marty  ҿӬ

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