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pavel569

Joined: 21 Dec 2007
Posts: 77

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Jabiru prices

Yesterday, just for fun I've checked the Jabiru USA web to find out, that they increased prices for 3300 $2,500 to $18,400. About a month ago my planned EFIS Enigma from MGL went $250 more. I just wonder, where I'll be a year from now when I'll be actually buying this stuff. Everything that is made in USA is already expensive and now even import is fighting US dollar value. It seems I'll have to find a good Yugo engine conversion and use a long rope hanging from the plane to checked the current altitude

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victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: Jabiru prices

115HP Geo/Suzuki conversion might save you $10,000, check our Raven 

Redrives page  www.raven-rotors.com I think. If you are just  interested 

in looking at the instrument panel when you are flying then I suggest a 

computer flight simulator which will cost you only $50. Otherwise use 

old standard cheap round instruments in the panel... stare out the 

windshield and enjoy the real reason you built the plane... flying in 

airspace not cyberspace.

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 Yesterday, just for fun I've checked the Jabiru USA web to find out, that they increased prices for 3300 $2,500 to $18,400. 

 It seems I'll have to find a good Yugo engine conversion and use a long rope hanging from the plane to checked the current altitude  [Crying or Very sad]

craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: Jabiru prices

Except that electronics will watch themselves and generate an alarm when

something goes out of spec. So you will actually be looking out the window

more.



Oh, and the MGL glass includes an internal GPS. Many dedicated steam gauge

fans still have a GPS.



-- Craig



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tjs22t(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: Jabiru prices

 	  Quote: 	
		   115HP Geo/Suzuki conversion might save you $10,000, 


	


                         ...but



Security of knowing you're flying behind an aircraft engine - PRICELESS.

do not archive

pavel569

Joined: 21 Dec 2007
Posts: 77

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Jabiru prices

I will buy the Jabiru and Enigma anyway, I'm just crying that the hole in my pocket is getting bigger and bigger. I wouldn't fly anything else than well proven engine and a reliable avionics. Doesn't make a sense to spend so much money and time to build to go cheap on the most important things on the airplane. I guess is pretty bad to have a propeller equipped glider without knowing your airspeed and altitude on your maiden flight. 

And actually the Enigma still costs approximately the same as standard instruments - without GPS.

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swater6

Joined: 16 Dec 2006
Posts: 52
Location: Minnesota-KMIC/KANE

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Jabiru prices

You might give Jabiru a call to see if they have any engines left at the old price. Maybe you'll get lucky and they've had a cancellation or something.  Pete gave us a heads up a few months ago and took orders for the December and January production runs that were at the old pricing.  I bought one in November and will get delivery this month. I'm actually glad I did now to see the prices actually going up.  I won't need it for a year but it will store just fine until then.

Scott

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: Jabiru prices

If you won't be starting your Jabiru engine for a while send a note to Pete

at JabiruUSA delaying the start of your warrantee. On the original

HomebuiltHELP FWF DVD (not the newer 2 DVD edition) Pete states that you can

delay the start for up to a year from the delivery date. But he needs

something in writing. Give him a call or drop him an e-mail as this policy

may have changed.



-- Craig



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pavel569

Joined: 21 Dec 2007
Posts: 77

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Jabiru prices

I'm still looking for a alternative to 3300. I've found a RAM Performance, Ltd - they are selling Modified Subaru 115HP, 186lb wet, Multiport Fuel Injected Engine that is available (with RWS EC-2 control unit and Autoflight redrive unit) for a good price. Anybody has any experience with this engine/company?

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ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
Posts: 723

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Jabiru prices

That seems to be the common thinking among boaters too, get a good new engine. Problem is, I see plenty of people broken down with new engines on the back of their boats. I think maintenance has a lot more to do with reliability.



 	  tjs22t(at)verizon.net wrote: 	
		   	  Quote: 	
		   115HP Geo/Suzuki conversion might save you $10,000, 



	


                         ...but



Security of knowing you're flying behind an aircraft engine - PRICELESS.

do not archive

larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: Jabiru prices

Hi Pavel,

I have a Stratus, but have had my valve guides replaced with new exhaust 

valves by Ron at RAM Performance.  Ron can be trusted to support your engine

as his work is excellent.  I've been fortunate to have had his advice on 

getting correct EGTs as well.  Nice guy to deal with.

He is very honest and an expert on the Subaru.  Trust what he says.



Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com



pavel569 wrote:

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 I'm still looking for a alternative to 3300. I've found a RAM Performance, Ltd - they are selling Modified Subaru 115HP, 186lb wet, Multiport Fuel Injected Engine that is available (with RWS EC-2 control unit and Autoflight redrive unit) for a good price. Anybody has any experience with this engine/company?



 --------

 Pavel 

 CA

 Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)

skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: Jabiru prices

This is the first I've heard of this motor.  My first question of you is, does it have a proven track record as far as reliability or are you going to be their "guinea pig?  If it needs servicing, who will do it?  What type of prices are they talk about for this unit?  I'd be interested in knowing more....

   

  I've personally looked into several of the "standards" of the industry - Rotax, Lycoming, Continental.  I'd never would have considered the Subaru auto conversion because it would be more than I would want to get into and it requires a redrive.  What I am doing is the Corvair conversion.  I roughly figured I'll have less than 1/3 the cost of a new motor if I was to put every available option in the Corvair and then I would have a motor that I can service myself.  It would be brand new.  It would be something else for you to  consider.  There are several people around that rebuild them and would be more than happy to build one for you if you didn't want to do it yourself.  These people are reputable and have been doing this for a long time.  They have data to back up what they do if you would want further proof.   If your interested, send me an offline message and I will be more than happy to get you in touch with these fine gentlemen.

   

  Larry H

   

  Pavel569 <pm569(at)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "pavel569" 



I'm still looking for a alternative to 3300. I've found a RAM Performance, Ltd - they are selling Modified Subaru 115HP, 186lb wet, Multiport Fuel [quote][b]

lrm(at)skyhawg.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Jabiru prices

Actually Subarus were first built for aircraft  use.  There are thousands of Subaru conversions out there, many with  direct drives.  It is with the possible exception of the VW, the most  proven auto conversion on the market.  For the most part when done properly  these conversions are bullet proof.  LRM www.skyhawg.com 

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dalemed

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Posts: 46

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Jabiru prices

 	  skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com wrote: 	
		  

  ....  What I am doing is the Corvair conversion.  I roughly figured I'll have less than 1/3 the cost of a new motor if I was to put every available option in the Corvair and then I would have a motor that I can service myself.  It would be brand new.  It would be something else for you to  consider.  There are several people around that rebuild them and would be more than happy to build one for you if you didn't want to do it yourself.  These people are reputable and have been doing this for a long time.  They have data to back up what they do if you would want further proof.   If your interested, send me an offline message and I will be more than happy to get you in touch with these fine gentlemen.

	




What wet weight are people seeing with the Corvair?  I like the idea of building an engine, but I want to keep the weight down.

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jetboy

Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 233

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Jabiru prices

Thats an old myth often told by Subaru dealerships in the 70's.



My book on light aircraft has a page on the Fuji FA-200 Aero Subaru:



"The FA-200 Aero Subaru was the first light aircraft fully designed by Fuji....."



Engines used were Lycoming 0-320 and 0-360.



I used to believe the myth myself as it seemed to make sense, until I discovered the use of Lycomings. I'd be delighted to stand corrected.

The Subaru flat fours however do make a good aero engine conversion provided the ignition and cooling system are made reliable.



Ralph

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skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Jabiru prices

According to WW, the data is showing the engine weights coming in at 225-230 pounds.  Thats with an alternator and electric start.  You can find out a lot by going to www.flycorvair.com  WW is William Wynne.  He is located in northern Florida but his engines are all over the world.  Hope this helps you and good luck making that decision.  I'm hooked on the Corvair myself. 

   

  LH



dalemed <dalemed(at)gmail.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "dalemed" 

skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com wrote:

[quote] 

 .... What I am doing is the Corvair conversion. I roughly figured I'll have less than 1/3 the cost of a new motor if I was to put every available option in the Corvair and then I would have a motor       Be a better friend, newshound, and  [quote][b]

larry(at)macsmachine.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Jabiru prices

Hi Larry,

Subaru has been around for a long time.  Several hundreds of gyros have 

flown for years with the Subaru.  It was initially designed to be an 

aircraft engine, but in the 70s,

the aircraft industry tanked and the Subaru came alive as an automotive 

conversion for the road.  It is an extremely durable engine that's 

become popular because of

its ability to use 87-octane or 100LL without complication.  It's a 

quiet engine as water cooled engine are and it's 3.5 to 4.5 gal/hr and 

inexpensive parts make it a favorite to overhaul.  The idea of re-drives 

isn't new either as the Merlin, Allison and more than a few aircraft 

engines have them.  I prefer belted as they're more easily inspected and

less costly to maintain. Rotax has had its share of redrive problems 

being gear drive types.

The Corvair engine is also a great engine if you require 6 cylinders and 

comparable expense, but both require some knowledge acquired by the 

owner and maintainer.

On the basis of knowing both Ron Carr at Ram and WW's Corvairs, it's 

indeed a toss up and you pick up the same level of involvement in 

installation etc.

Both very good engines.



Larry McFarland  601HDS at www.macsmachine.com

do not archive



Larry H wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   */This is the first I've heard of this motor.  My first question of 

 you is, does it have a proven track record as far as reliability or 

 are you going to be their "guinea pig?  If it needs servicing, who 

 will do it?  What type of prices are they talk about for this unit?  

 I'd be interested in knowing more..../*

 *//* 

 */I've personally looked into several of the "standards" of the 

 industry - Rotax, Lycoming, Continental.  I'd never would have 

 considered the Subaru auto conversion because it would be more than I 

 would want to get into and it requires a redrive.  What I am doing is 

 the Corvair conversion.  I roughly figured I'll have less than 1/3 the 

 cost of a new motor if I was to put every available option in the 

 Corvair and then I would have a motor that I can service myself.  It 

 would be brand new.  It would be something else for you to consider.  

 There are several people around that rebuild them and would be more 

 than happy to build one for you if you didn't want to do it yourself.  

 These people are reputable and have been doing this for a long time.  

 They have data to back up what they do if you would want further 

 proof.   If your interested, send me an offline message and I will be 

 more than happy to get you in touch with these fine gentlemen./*

 *//* 

 */Larry H/*

  

 */Pavel569 <pm569(at)HOTMAIL.COM>/* wrote:



     



     I'm still looking for a alternative to 3300. I've found a RAM

     Performance, Ltd - they are selling Modified Subaru 115HP, 186lb

     wet, Multiport Fuel

skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: Jabiru prices

Thanks for the info on the Subaru.  I'm new to homebuilding so I know very little about it.  I have been renting an aircraft (while I'm training) and it has a Rotax in it.  Its a strong little motor but it is a high rpm engine with a redrive on it.  I just heard that Rotax just announced another recall on their redrives.  Supposedly, it will not cost the owner a dime - just the downtime on the plane.  If I hadn't already started with my Corvair Conversion, I would have seriously looked into the Subaru.  Of course not knowing anything about them, I would be leary.  I'm probably not going to stop building after I finish my 601XL.  My wife even comments on how well I know metal and how nice the component kits are turning out.  Dumb luck I told her.  LOL.  I just take my time with it is all.  I never try to rush.  Its quality and not quantity.  She told me she wouldn't be surprised if I decided to  build another plane after I finishe this one.......or two.....or three.  My next plane I will definately look more closely at the Subaru.  The Corvair engine has been experiencing a few breaking crankshafts.  WW has been studying them and has just announced all the cranks should be nitrited now.  That will work great for me since I just found my two core engines and have torn the one down, getting it ready to send out to Moldex.  

  Thanks again for the information.  I appreciate it!

  Larry Hursh



LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland 



Hi Larry,

Subaru has been around for a long time. Several hundreds of gyros have 

flown for years with the Subaru. It was initially designed to be an  

aircraft engine, but in the 70s,

the aircraft industry tanked and the Subaru came alive as an automotive 

conversion for the road. It is an extremely durable engine that's 

become popular because of

its ability to use 87-octane or 100LL without complication. It's a 

quiet engine as water cooled engine are and it's 3.5 to 4.5 gal/hr and 

inexpensive parts make it a favorite to overhaul. The idea of re-drives 

isn't new either as the Merlin, Allison and more than a few aircraft 

engines have them. I prefer belted as they're more easily inspected and

less costly to maintain. Rotax has had its share of redrive problems 

being gear drive types.

The Corvair engine is also a great engine if you require 6 cylinders and 

comparable expense, but both require some knowledge acquired by the 

owner and maintainer.

On the basis of knowing both Ron Carr at Ram and WW's Corvairs, it's 

indeed a toss up and you pick up the same level of  involvement in 

installation etc.

Both very good engines.



Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com

do not archive



Larry H wrote:

[quote] */This is the first I've heard of this motor. My first question of 

 you is, does it have a proven track record as far as reliability or 

 are you going to be their "guinea pig? If it needs servicing, who 

 will do it? What type of prices are they talk about for this unit? 

 I'd be interested in knowing more..../*

 *//* 

 */I've personally looked into several of the "standards" of the 

 industry - Rotax, Lycoming, Continental. I'd never would have 

 considered the Subaru auto conversion because it would be more than I 

 would want to get into and it requires a redrive. What I am doing is 

 the Corvair conversion. I roughly figured I'll have less than 1/3 the 

 cost of a new motor if I was to put every available option in the 

  Corvair and then I would have a motor that I can service myself. It 

 would be brand new. It would be something else for you to consider. 

 There are several people around that rebuild them and would be more 

 than happy to build one for you if you didn't want to do it yourself. 

 These people are reputable and have been doing this for a long time. 

 They have data to back up what they do if you would want further 

 proof. If your interested, send me an offline message and I will be 

 more than happy to get you in touch with these fine gentlemen./*

 *//* 

 */Larry H/*

 

 */Pavel569 /* wrote:



 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "pavel569"



 I'm still looking for a alternative to 3300. I've found a RAM

 Performance, Ltd - they are selling Modified Subaru 115HP, 186lb

 wet, Multiport       Be a better friend, newshound, and  [quote][b]

lrm(at)skyhawg.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: Jabiru prices

You stand corrected.



The history of Subaru arguably begins in 1917 with the Aircraft Research 

Laboratory. The ARL was founded by Chikuhei Nakajima, a former member of the 

Japanese navy who had become entranced by early 20th century aircraft. 

Sometime before World War II, the ARL became Nakajima Aircraft Co., Ltd. and 

began producing aircraft for the Japanese armed forces. One of its more 

memorable contributions to war was in production of engines for the famed 

Zero fighter.



LRM, www.skyhawg.com

---

skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: Jabiru prices

OK guys, go ahead and nit-pick it to death.  I got the information I needed.  Thanks, Larry



LRM <lrm(at)skyhawg.com> wrote:  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" 



You stand corrected.



The history of Subaru arguably begins in 1917 with the Aircraft Research 

Laboratory. The ARL was founded by Chikuhei Nakajima, a former member of the 

Japanese navy who had become entranced by early 20th century aircraft. 

Sometime before World War II, the ARL became Nakajima Aircraft Co., Ltd. and 

began producing aircraft for the Japanese armed forces. One of its more 

memorable contributions to war was in production of engines for the famed 

Zero fighter.



LRM, www.skyhawg.com

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