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 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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Guys,
Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight "Experimental" decal I could buy?
John P. Marzluf (John Z.)
Columbus, Ohio
Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage)
20% Complete, Not Currently Building
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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John-
I was thinking that if you took the normal "Experimental" decal, and
cut horizontal strips out of the material...say 1/4" wide...you could
probably cut the weight in half...a HUGE saving in weight, and the
word would still be readable. And stand by....I'm currently working
on a method of drilling lightening holes in bailing
wire...**aluminum** bailing wire.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:46 AM, KITFOXZ(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | Guys,
Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
"Experimental" decal I could buy?
John P. Marzluf (John Z.)
Columbus, Ohio
Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage)
20% Complete, Not Currently Building
Do Not Archive
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
AOL Living.
www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
www.matronics.com/contribution _-
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KITFOXZ(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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Great Scot Lynn!, Genius! As many have said before, this list is a wealth of Kitfox, indeed, aircraft construction knowledge! BTW, I just discovered that my fuselage frame weldment is built out of HOLLOW tubing! I'm now 1/2 finished! Even Wilber and Orville nit-picked their way to success you think? ; ^ )
--John
In a message dated 2/24/2008 9:25:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lynnmatt(at)jps.net writes:
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John-
I was thinking that if you took the normal "Experimental" decal, and
cut horizontal strips out of the material...say 1/4" wide...you could
probably cut the weight in half...a HUGE saving in weight, and the
word would still be readable. And stand by....I'm currently working
on a method of drilling lightening holes in bailing
wire...**aluminum** bailing wire.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:46 AM, KITFOXZ(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | Guys,
Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
"Experimental" decal I could buy?
John P. Marzluf (John Z.)
Columbus, Ohio
Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage)
20% Complete, Not Currently Building
Do Not Archive
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
www.matronics.com/contribution _-
========================he es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; =========================
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Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.
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Tom Jones
Joined: 12 Mar 2006
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Location: Ellensburg, WA
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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you guys are playing with fire.
do not archive
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Guy Buchanan
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
| Quote: | Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
"Experimental" decal I could buy?
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LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in Monokote.
Any model builders out there?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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Jim Shumaker
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 106
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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I am currently test flying one of our EAA chapter members newly built experimental. (Not a Kitfox but the same weight class.) During the painting process he had trouble getting the paint on smooth so he added a few coats extra to smooth it out. He used two part industrial paint from his work. The extra paint added over 70 # to the target weight. Performance was hampered as well as the useful load.
A coat of white under a light color will still be brighter than a light color over poly spray alone. Probably be as light or lighter also.
Jim Shumaker
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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O & W probably argued over using just plain Scotch Tape, or fiber
reinforced Scotch Tape...HEAVY...to hold the toothpicks together.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 10:38 AM, KITFOXZ(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | Great Scot Lynn!, Genius! As many have said before, this list is a
wealth of Kitfox, indeed, aircraft construction knowledge! BTW, I
just discovered that my fuselage frame weldment is built out of
HOLLOW tubing! I'm now 1/2 finished! Even Wilber and Orville nit-
picked their way to success you think? ; ^ )
--John
In a message dated 2/24/2008 9:25:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lynnmatt(at)jps.net writes:
John-
I was thinking that if you took the normal "Experimental" decal, and
cut horizontal strips out of the material...say 1/4" wide...you could
probably cut the weight in half...a HUGE saving in weight, and the
word would still be readable. And stand by....I'm currently working
on a method of drilling lightening holes in bailing
wire...**aluminum** bailing wire.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:46 AM, KITFOXZ(at)aol.com wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
> even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
> structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
> wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
> "Experimental" decal I could buy?
>
> John P. Marzluf (John Z.)
> Columbus, Ohio
> Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage)
> 20% Complete, Not Currently Building
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> ========================he es y --> - MATRONICS
WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web
Site ; =========================
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
AOL Living.
www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
www.matronics.com/contribution _-
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akflyer
Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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| Guy Buchanan wrote: | At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
| Quote: | Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
"Experimental" decal I could buy?
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LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in Monokote.
Any model builders out there?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive |
only built a couple hundred... I would lean towards super coverite, monokote gets too brittle in the cold. No nead to paint and rib stitching is optional if you use balsa rite.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (147 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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Yup! But my favorite covering was Ultracote, not Money-Cote (as my
friends used to call it) The Ultracote seemed to stretch better in
all directions, unlike the Monokote...that I tried at least...which
seemed to stretch better in one direction than the other. My last
plane to cover was a still-unfinished (guess why?) Top Flite Giant
Scale Stinson Reliant SR- 9. Got everything built, and started to
cover with Stits Lite cloth, and was having so much fun with this
covering and shrinking deal that when it came time to do the 'fox, it
was a natural segue. I was amazed at how the fabric made the 3-
dimensional transition from the horizontal tail surface to the
vertical fin surface on the model. The same thing happened when I did
the same area on the Kitfox...that curve was pure sex!
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
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At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
> Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
> even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
> structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
> wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
> "Experimental" decal I could buy?
LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in
Monokote. Any model builders out there?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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Lynn Matteson
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Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
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Do you remember Supershrink Coverite? It was a fabric that I covered
a Top Flite Gold Edition P-40 with...over the balsa sheeting. They
discontinued the Supershrink shortly after I finished that plane. I
still have the plane. It was flown for me twice...I was too chicken-
- - - to fly it myself at the time. It has a YS 120AC engine in it...
2.45 "supercharged" 4-stroke ponies in that bad boy....2-strokes
suck!...in my humble opinion, of course.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 3:57 PM, akflyer wrote:
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Guy Buchanan wrote:
> At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
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>> Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
>> even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
>> structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
>> wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
>> "Experimental" decal I could buy?
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> LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in Monokote.
> Any model builders out there?
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
only built a couple hundred... I would lean towards super coverite,
monokote gets too brittle in the cold. No nead to paint and rib
stitching is optional if you use balsa rite.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
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