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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Apology

All,

         I received some criticism for my reply to Michel's post 

about flying at Vne. In particular with regard to saying:



"YOU ARE A TEST PILOT. (Michel, I admire your courage.)"



         I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY 

WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings 

or confusion.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.



Do not archive

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: Apology

Guy, I read your 1st "Test pilot" message. If anyone has a problem with that statement. It's their problem, not yours. There is nothing wrong with your choice of words. Please continue with your uncensored commentary.

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL



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		   Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:27:27 -0800

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 From: bnn(at)nethere.com

 Subject: Kitfox-List: Apology

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com>

 

 All,

 I received some criticism for my reply to Michel's post 

 about flying at Vne. In particular with regard to saying:

 

 "YOU ARE A TEST PILOT. (Michel, I admire your courage.)"

 

 I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY 

 WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings 

 or confusion.

 

 

 Guy Buchanan

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

 

 Do not ar======================

 ========================> 

 

 


	


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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: Apology

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: Guy Buchanan [bnn(at)nethere.com] 

 I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY 

 WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings 

 or confusion.


	


.. hum, Guy, I understood your comments as a joke, of course. Because I am NEVER flying at or near Vne if it isn't only a fraction of a second, when I test my max RPM at WOT; usually when levelling after initial climb.

If anyone got the impression that I do, it is then my turn to apologize.



In fact, I do exactly the opposite; I always fly at a very safe speed, away from Vne and Vso. A year ago I flew to Germany and back in formation with a Skyranger with a Rotax 912. At two occasions, I had to ask my wing mate to slow down.

Since he lives and fly from the same place where the Scandinavian Jabiru dealer lives, later on I got a phone call from him asking if really my Kitfox with Jabiru was flying so much slower than the Skyranger (pretty similar type of aircraft as the Kitfox) with a Rotax 912.

To what I had to answer: "Of course, not! I could have kept the same speed as he did but I wanted to fly slower because it was typical summer sunshine thermic turbulence. especially along the Swedish coast with an onshore breeze; you know, when mild and wet air comes from the sea and rises over land to form nice cumulus.



The thing is; I don't like to fly seeing the ASI needle moving up and down near Vne. Once I had to pull the throttle to idle in order to stay under Vne and at the same altitude. It was funny; flying forward with the nose down. But, flying in controlled airspace, with a light aircraft in thermic cells, it's the only way to do it.



Cheers,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: Apology

Just consider the source of the criticism Guy.  You're doing a good job.

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT

"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."

- Joseph Joubert



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josandt(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: Apology

One of the reasons that we have members who are over-sensitive to criticism is the fact that we have too much criticism going on. Nobody joined the list in order to have their views attacked. Can't we focus on positive and constructive criticism, rather than the little-girl "catty" attacks? We are all full grown men and don't value attacks on each others values. No one in the group is so stupid/lame/weak that he will change his values because Joe Blow thinks he's wrong. It's true that we have some "experts" in the group, but they must 'use their powers for good...not evil.' Let's focus on Kitfoxes, not on trying to rebuild each others values. It's too late for that. Those of us that are EVIL are already lost.

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John Sandt / Kitfox 7 / Ridgecrest, CA  Under construction

akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Apology

 	  Guy Buchanan wrote: 	
		  All,

         I received some criticism for my reply to Michel's post 

about flying at Vne. In particular with regard to saying:



"YOU ARE A TEST PILOT. (Michel, I admire your courage.)"



         I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY 

WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings 

or confusion.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.



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Guy you are one of the few that lets a little humor in.. Keep it that way.  If someone gets uptight over a little comment like that, they need to find another place to hang out.



Keep the place alive by showing we are humans not robots.

As always, I have nothing constructive to add to the site so please.

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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:37 am Post subject: Apology

John, I don't recall reading any of your posts before.  Welcome.

Could you please quote some of those "little-girl catty attacks"?  Or some 

of the "EVIL" remarks you refer to?  I must have missed them.

Thanks,

Deke



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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: Apology

At 04:25 AM 2/25/2008, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  John, I don't recall reading any of your posts before.  Welcome.

Could you please quote some of those "little-girl catty 

attacks"?  Or some of the "EVIL" remarks you refer to?  I must have 

missed them.


	


Sorry Deke,

         I'm going ask everyone to drop this line of attack as it's 

not even remotely Kitfox related. Anyone wishing to pursue it further 

please do so off-line.



Thanks,

Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

josandt(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: Apology

Deke, 

I try my best to either skip the nonsense or forget it ASAP. The last one that comes to mind is the one where a pilot griped about being attacked at his local airport for making landings at each runway (touch and go) and the local AH complained that he was an unsafe pilot. Then everyone on the list jumped in and debated whether or not he was an unsafe pilot because he was landing at all the runways. That example is typical of what I'm talking about. I really don't believe that there's any pilot on the list who cares about that type of nonsense. No one is going to change their flying attitude because of all the little girl chatter about their perception of what constitutes good practice (insofar as it is merely nonconstructive criticism). Debate is good if it doesn't fall into the category of nit-picking.

My comment here did not relate to Guy's apology other than to say to everyone out there "THICKEN YOUR SKIN!" NO APOLOGY NECESSARY!Part of the problem here is that we run out of technical questions so we devolve into personal junk. Then some get offensive about that. Giant waste of time. Think KITFOX, not $%ITFOX.



<<<John, I don't recall reading any of your posts before.  Welcome.

Could you please quote some of those "little-girl catty attacks"?  Or some of the "EVIL" remarks you refer to?  I must have missed them.  Thanks,  Deke>>>



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John Sandt,   Series 7 construction /  Ridgecrest, CA

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: Apology

John,

         This should have been sent off line. Please do not post 

again on this subject. (I've already counseled Deke.)



Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.



At 08:56 AM 2/25/2008, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Deke,

I try my best to either skip the nonsense or forget it ASAP. The 

last one that comes to mind is the one where a pilot griped about 

being attacked at his local airport for making landings at each 

runway (touch and go) and the local AH complained that he was an 

unsafe pilot. Then everyone on the list jumped in and debated 

whether or not he was an unsafe pilot because he was landing at all 

the runways. That example is typical of what I'm talking about. I 

really don't believe that there's any pilot on the list who cares 

about that type of nonsense. No one is going to change their flying 

attitude because of all the little girl chatter about their 

perception of what constitutes good practice (insofar as it is 

merely nonconstructive criticism). Debate is good if it doesn't fall 

into the category of nit-picking.

My comment here did not relate to Guy's apology other than to say to 

everyone out there "THICKEN YOUR SKIN!" NO APOLOGY NECESSARY!Part of 

the problem here is that we run out of technical questions so we 

devolve into personal junk. Then some get offensive about that. 

Giant waste of time. Think KITFOX, not $%ITFOX.



<<<John, I don't recall reading any of your posts before.  Welcome.

Could you please quote some of those "little-girl catty 

attacks"?  Or some of the "EVIL" remarks you refer to?  I must have 

missed them.  Thanks,  Deke>>>



DO NOT ARCHIVE

John Sandt,   Series 7 construction /  Ridgecrest, CA

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Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

josandt(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: Apology

Guy, I have a doctorate, but I guess, not enough education to be able decipher which chatter is acceptable and which is not. Seems like lately it's 90% chatter and 10% Kitfox. Since I can't figure out the "good" chatter from the "bad," please drop me from the list. Thanks much. Keep 'em flyin'.

Best of luck to all you builders. Hope to meet you all someday. John 

___________________________________________________________________

John,

         This should have been sent off line. Please do not post 

again on this subject. (I've already counseled Deke.)



Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.



At 08:56 AM 2/25/2008, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Deke,

I try my best to either skip the nonsense or forget it ASAP. The 

last one that comes to mind is the one where a pilot griped about 

being attacked at his local airport for making landings at each 

runway (touch and go) and the local AH complained that he was an 

unsafe pilot. Then everyone on the list jumped in and debated 

whether or not he was an unsafe pilot because he was landing at all 

the runways. That example is typical of what I'm talking about. I 

really don't believe that there's any pilot on the list who cares 

about that type of nonsense. No one is going to change their flying 

attitude because of all the little girl chatter about their 

perception of what constitutes good practice (insofar as it is 

merely nonconstructive criticism). Debate is good if it doesn't fall 

into the category of nit-picking.

My comment here did not relate to Guy's apology other than to say to 

everyone out there "THICKEN YOUR SKIN!" NO APOLOGY NECESSARY!Part of 

the problem here is that we run out of technical questions so we 

devolve into personal junk. Then some get offensive about that. 

Giant waste of time. Think KITFOX, not $%ITFOX.



<<<John, I don't recall reading any of your posts before.  Welcome.

Could you please quote some of those "little-girl catty 

attacks"?  Or some of the "EVIL" remarks you refer to?  I must have 

missed them.  Thanks,  Deke>>>



DO NOT ARCHIVE

John Sandt,   Series 7 construction /  Ridgecrest, CA

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