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 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Minimum Safe Altitudes |
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Ok Folks,
We seem to be getting ourselves a little confused in this discussion of what the FARs say about minimum safe altitudes. The exact wording of FAR 91.119:
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
Trey Moran
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: Minimum Safe Altitudes |
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Now you have to define sparsely populated areas.
Around here there is a very detailed definition as to what is a legal helmet to wear on a motorcycle or snowmobile or even a quad. Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) require the pilot of a Basic Ultralight Aircraft (BULA) wear a helmet... then they do not define what a helmet is so I guess the field is open on that item.
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Subject: Minimum Safe Altitudes
Ok Folks,
We seem to be getting ourselves a little confused in this discussion of what the FARs say about minimum safe altitudes. The exact wording of FAR 91.119:
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
Trey Moran
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Minimum Safe Altitudes |
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OK. That's more like what my instructor taught me. I misunderstood the water exemption. I thought it meant that you had to fly higher. Seems clear to me that the FAR means that you can fly as low as you like over open water.
So it seams that much of the case against the pilot pivots on whether the river in question qualifies as open water or a congested area in this case. The point made in the case in regards to being too low to make "safe landing" is completely wrong. There's nothing in the FAR about making a safe landing at all. Clearly ditching in a river has zero chance of causing undue hazard to people or structures on the ground if you're more than 500ft away.
| Quote: | We seem to be getting ourselves a little confused in this discussion of what the FARs say about minimum safe altitudes. The exact wording of FAR 91.119:
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure. |
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