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HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: ELT's

Do we need them? 



I have heard yes and no......plus they are shutting down satellite monitoring next year...

kurt(at)scitechsys.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: ELT's

Yes - they're shutting down satellite monitoring for ELT's on 121.5.



406 ELT's are the new standard. Better satellite monitoring and coded to

the owner.



If you have a ELT on 121.5 - you're relying on an airliner to hear it

and report it if you go down.



I'm waiting for the 406's to come down a bit in price before getting one.

-- 

Kurt Howerton

N923YK

http://cj6.scitechsys.com

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cliff(at)gesoco.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: ELT's

I interpret 91.207 as requiring an ELT.  Yes the aircraft are certified 

in the experimental exhibition category, however I read the reg as 

meaning ELT are not required when the aircraft is actively being used 

for exhibition ie during the show.  At all other flight times, the 

aircraft isn't being operated solely as exhibition.



You are correct- SARSAT will no longer be monitoring 121.5 or 243 

however the land based systems will still operate.



The 406 ELT's are coming down....just not into the realm of where most 

people would like to see them.



my $.02



Cheers,

Cliff



Tim Gagnon wrote:

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 Do we need them? 



 I have heard yes and no......plus they are shutting down satellite monitoring next year...





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167285#167285





   


	


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Director of Maintenance

Border Air Ltd

629 Airport Rd.

Swanton, VT 05488

802-868-2822 TEL

802-868-4465 FAX

Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>

wlannon(at)persona.ca
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: ELT's

They are mandatory in Canada. I believe the 406 unit will be mandatory Feb. 

2009.



Walt

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ChangDriver

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Posts: 266

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Re: ELT's

OK, give CAP chases down most ELTs in the US...here is the scoop:



1) If you have a 121.5 ELT in your plane (and you do if you fly legally) it will still meet the FAA mandate requirements of Part 91.  The mandate arose from Congress after a crash in Alaska, where the plane was never found, that killed two Congressmen.



2) As of Feb 1, 2009, if you crash, plan on being dead as nobody will look for you.  No satellites monitoring 121.5, no CAP dispatched to look for 121.5 signals UNLESS picked up by a) a plane monitoring 121.5, or b) some ground facility.  You'll likely be dead of exposure or post crash injuries before anybody looks for you.



3) Yes, 406 beacons are expensive.  Will they come down in price, yes.



In the mean time, you can do what I have decided to do.  Get a 406 PLB and attach it to your parachute.  If you don't fly with a parachute, put it a flight suit pocket.  If you don't wear a flight suit or parachute, put it somewhere on your person you know it will be after you land.  If it is on your parachute and you get out of your plane it is with you - who cares where the plane is anyway.



The only thing you have to keep in mind is that the PLB is activated by you.  The ELT in your plane is activated by a crash (well, that is the theory....actual data is 25% activation in a crash and 97% false alarm rate).  As we all know from Steve Fossett, ELTs  don't activate or burn in the post-crash fire.



The other thing you could get is a satellite phone that allows you to call 911.  Sparky Imeson, aka the Father of Mountain Flying (who incidentally crashed in the mountains recently) said he will never fly in remote areas again with out a SPOT Satellite Messenger (cost about $150).  Also, in his post crash review he listed the following as must haves:



1) PLB (listed as probably the MOST IMPORTANT item)

2) survival vest, not in the back seat, but worn

3) a helmet (he smacked his head pretty hard)



Hope this helps,



Craig Winkelmann, Capt, CAP

Nanchang CJ-6

fougapilot

Joined: 20 Jul 2007
Posts: 88
Location: Flat on my back with minimum airspeed

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Re: ELT's

Well, Canada went a little further...



Effective Feb 1 2009, all airplane must have a 406 ELT that will automatically activate upon impact. PLBs are OUT 



I already have a PLB with my parachute, but looks like I will have to spend some more $$ and get a fixed one in the near future.



Such is life



Dan

ReadeG(at)Cairnwood.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: ELT's

In researching the 406 elt's to replace an old broken 121.5 I have found

the following (in general):

- basic unit (dual band) = $1000

- encoded message transmission capability = $3500+

- coupled with gps/nav system (broadcasts lat/lon), tri band broadcast =

$4500+ 



Reade Genzlinger

Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation

mailto:readeg(at)cairnwood.com

215.914.0370



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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: ELT's

--> <capav8r(at)gmail.com>



OK, give CAP chases down most ELTs in the US...here is the scoop:



1) If you have a 121.5 ELT in your plane (and you do if you fly legally) it

will still meet the FAA mandate requirements of Part 91.  The mandate arose

from Congress after a crash in Alaska, where the plane was never found, that

killed two Congressmen.

Craig Winkelmann, Capt, CAP

Nanchang CJ-6



XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 Well I beg to differ If you will review (14 CFR Section 91.207) excerpt

below. Please note parg.F item #8 it plainly

states that air craft used for exhibition plus other use's DO NOT have to

carry ELT's. I should think the CAP would be

acuity aware of this reg.

Tom Elliott

CJ-6A NX63727

702-595-2680 



THESE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE REQUIREMENT TO CARRY AN ELT.

e) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section, a person may—



(1) Ferry a newly acquired airplane from the place where possession of it

was taken to a place where the emergency locator transmitter is to be

installed; and



(2) Ferry an airplane with an inoperative emergency locator transmitter from

a place where repairs or replacements cannot be made to a place where they

can be made.



No person other than required crewmembers may be carried aboard an airplane

being ferried under paragraph (e) of this section.



(f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to—



(1) Before January 1, 2004, turbojet-powered aircraft;



(2) Aircraft while engaged in scheduled flights by scheduled air carriers;



(3) Aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely within

a 50-nautical mile radius of the airport from which such local flight

operations began;



(4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and

testing;



(5) New aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to their

manufacture, preparation, and delivery;



(6) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to the aerial

application of chemicals and other substances for agricultural purposes;



(7) Aircraft certificated by the Administrator for research and development

purposes;



( Aircraft while used for showing compliance with regulations, crew

training, exhibition, air racing, or market surveys;



(9) Aircraft equipped to carry not more than one person.



(10) An aircraft during any period for which the transmitter has been

temporarily removed for inspection, repair, modification, or replacement,

subject to the following:





10:01 AM

 



10:01 AM

cliff(at)gesoco.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: ELT's

Well Tom...here comes the splitting of hairs....

Item #8 exempts the requirement of carrying an ELT while the aircraft is 

being *used* for exhibition. 



Just because an aircraft is certified under the exhibition category 

doesn't mean it's being used for exhibition all the time.

So during those times when the aircraft is not "exhibiting" itself, an 

ELT would be required...ie during all those "proficiency" flights .



I guess I'm in the "it's better to have it and not need it, than need it 

and not have it" camp.



By the way, I've mentioned it before, I've written letters with pictures 

to the FAA and to Ameriking-



If you have an Ameriking AK-450 ELT installed, REMOVE the auxiliary 

antenna from the unit NOW.

Put it in a zippered pocket or secure it some other way.  I keep finding 

these antennae in the tail cones of aircraft.

We just found *two* in the back of an Aerocommander last week.  They are 

going to kill someone damn soon.



ACK E-01 ELT's have the problem, just not as prevalent.  I still take 

these out and hand them to the owner for better storage.



Cheers,

Cliff



Tom Elliott wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 

 --> <capav8r(at)gmail.com>



 OK, give CAP chases down most ELTs in the US...here is the scoop:



 1) If you have a 121.5 ELT in your plane (and you do if you fly legally) it

 will still meet the FAA mandate requirements of Part 91.  The mandate arose

 from Congress after a crash in Alaska, where the plane was never found, that

 killed two Congressmen.

 Craig Winkelmann, Capt, CAP

 Nanchang CJ-6



 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

  Well I beg to differ If you will review (14 CFR Section 91.207) excerpt

 below. Please note parg.F item #8 it plainly

 states that air craft used for exhibition plus other use's DO NOT have to

 carry ELT's. I should think the CAP would be

 acuity aware of this reg.

 Tom Elliott

 CJ-6A NX63727

 702-595-2680 



 THESE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE REQUIREMENT TO CARRY AN ELT.

 e) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section, a person may—



 (1) Ferry a newly acquired airplane from the place where possession of it

 was taken to a place where the emergency locator transmitter is to be

 installed; and



 (2) Ferry an airplane with an inoperative emergency locator transmitter from

 a place where repairs or replacements cannot be made to a place where they

 can be made.



 No person other than required crewmembers may be carried aboard an airplane

 being ferried under paragraph (e) of this section.



 (f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to—



 (1) Before January 1, 2004, turbojet-powered aircraft;



 (2) Aircraft while engaged in scheduled flights by scheduled air carriers;



 (3) Aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely within

 a 50-nautical mile radius of the airport from which such local flight

 operations began;



 (4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and

 testing;



 (5) New aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to their

 manufacture, preparation, and delivery;



 (6) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to the aerial

 application of chemicals and other substances for agricultural purposes;



 (7) Aircraft certificated by the Administrator for research and development

 purposes;



 ( Aircraft while used for showing compliance with regulations, crew

 training, exhibition, air racing, or market surveys;



 (9) Aircraft equipped to carry not more than one person.



 (10) An aircraft during any period for which the transmitter has been

 temporarily removed for inspection, repair, modification, or replacement,

 subject to the following:





 10:01 AM

  



 10:01 AM

  



   


	


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Clifford Coy

Director of Maintenance

Border Air Ltd

629 Airport Rd.

Swanton, VT 05488

802-868-2822 TEL

802-868-4465 FAX

Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: ELT's

Thought that was the case. The single seaters are not required to have an

Elt. The two seaters and more are. So, I carry a 406 SARSAT PLT with me in

the 50 and the 52. I would rather rely on the PLT than the ELT anyway.

Doc



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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: ELT's

-> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Coy <cliff(at)gesoco.com>



Well Tom...here comes the splitting of hairs....

Item #8 exempts the requirement of carrying an ELT while the aircraft is

being *used* for exhibition. 



Then what other use's can an experimental exhibition aircraft be used for

other than crew training (i.e. Proficiency )

and exhibition? See item # 8 below?



Tom Elliott

CJ-6A NX63727

702-595-2680 

( Aircraft while used for showing compliance with regulations, crew 

 	  Quote: 	
		   training, exhibition, air racing, or market surveys;


	


6:50 PM

ChangDriver

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Posts: 266

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: Re: ELT's

Dear Tom:



I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my comments on ELTs.  Yes there are exceptions.  I wrote to the majority (CJ and 52 owners).  Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do not need ELTs OR parachutes.  The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only if you have a passenger.  



And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs - thank you very much.  Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to go find em sometimes.  Do you?  Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.



While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to 121.5 before engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT.  Once we go to 406, we can't do this anymore.  It would save a great deal of time, effort, and your tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.



Regards,



Craig

N13472(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: ELT's

--> <capav8r(at)gmail.com>



Dear Tom:



I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my comments

on ELTs.  Yes there are exceptions.  I wrote to the majority (CJ and 52

owners).  Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do not need

ELTs OR parachutes.  The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only if you

have a passenger.  



And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs - thank

you very much.  Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to go find

em sometimes.  Do you?  Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.



While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to 121.5

before engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT.  Once we go to

406, we can't do this anymore.  It would save a great deal of time, effort,

and your tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.



Regards,



Craig



Craig, if you felt tweaked well? But you did not address my issue. You

stated that if people did NOT have an ELT

they were illegally operating their aircraft. We have enough bad info on

this list as is! So when someone who use's

this list to disseminates inaccurate info and also sign's with a title that

implies knowledge (i.e. Capt CAP)I think

the correct info should be brought to the list's attention. Which I did by

posting the FAR  14CFR91.207 parg. F that shows

that in many types of operations you are not violating the FAR's by

operating with OUT an ELT. And that include more than

just single seat aircraft.



Regards,

Tom Elliott

CJ-6A NX63727

702-595-2680 



8:35 AM

cliff(at)gesoco.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: ELT's

Tom...maybe you should call your FSDO and get their ruling.



My argument is pretty much the opinion of the FAA over here-



When the aircraft is not being used for exhibition at a "scheduled air 

event" then an ELT is required to be installed in the aircraft.

This is not mis-information, this is the ruling of the Portland FSDO. 



So if you don't want some ASI with a chip on his shoulder hanging paper 

on your plane, then it's /advisable/ that you spend the $400 and install 

an ELT which /just might/ save your butt.



Cliff



Tom Elliott wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 

 --> <capav8r(at)gmail.com>



 Dear Tom:



 I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my comments

 on ELTs.  Yes there are exceptions.  I wrote to the majority (CJ and 52

 owners).  Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do not need

 ELTs OR parachutes.  The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only if you

 have a passenger.  



 And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs - thank

 you very much.  Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to go find

 em sometimes.  Do you?  Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.



 While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to 121.5

 before engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT.  Once we go to

 406, we can't do this anymore.  It would save a great deal of time, effort,

 and your tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.



 Regards,



 Craig



 Craig, if you felt tweaked well? But you did not address my issue. You

 stated that if people did NOT have an ELT

 they were illegally operating their aircraft. We have enough bad info on

 this list as is! So when someone who use's

 this list to disseminates inaccurate info and also sign's with a title that

 implies knowledge (i.e. Capt CAP)I think

 the correct info should be brought to the list's attention. Which I did by

 posting the FAR  14CFR91.207 parg. F that shows

 that in many types of operations you are not violating the FAR's by

 operating with OUT an ELT. And that include more than

 just single seat aircraft.



 Regards,

 Tom Elliott

 CJ-6A NX63727

 702-595-2680 



 8:35 AM

  



   


	


-- 

Clifford Coy

Director of Maintenance

Border Air Ltd

629 Airport Rd.

Swanton, VT 05488

802-868-2822 TEL

802-868-4465 FAX

Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>

N13472(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: ELT's

Tom...maybe you should call your FSDO and get their ruling.



My argument is pretty much the opinion of the FAA over here-



When the aircraft is not being used for exhibition at a "scheduled air

event" then an ELT is required to be installed in the aircraft.

This is not mis-information, this is the ruling of the Portland FSDO. 



Cliff I am not looking for a fight. But that attitude is the reason we have

many rules put on our flying not by

law but because some(FSDO) person thinks in their own mind we should or do

this or that. Because of this the Operating

limits on like aircraft vary greatly from FSDO to FSDO. When I move my plane

from one FSDO to another the new inspector

made the statement ( I wonder what he was smoking ) They were referring to

how the operating limits were written. And completely rewrote mine to be

much less restrictive.



This the last post by me on this subject. Just remember (ref: FSDO

inspectors ) Opinions are like assholes everyone

has one. And an opinion is not an FAR.



And I do have an ELT in my plane because I choose too not because I have

too.



Tom Elliott

CJ-6A NX63727

702-595-2680 



8:35 AM

netmaster15(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: ELT's

Hi Cliff, this is Cliff;

      Are you by any chance selling  the new 406s?  If not, do you know the best place which is offering us a special price?  I might just as well go ahead now and buy the new 406. It""s just a matter of finding the best vendor.  

      Thanks for your posts 

      Cliff Umscheid



-- Cliff Coy <cliff(at)gesoco.com> wrote:

--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Coy <cliff(at)gesoco.com>



Tom...maybe you should call your FSDO and get their ruling.



My argument is pretty much the opinion of the FAA over here-



When the aircraft is not being used for exhibition at a "scheduled air 

event" then an ELT is required to be installed in the aircraft.

This is not mis-information, this is the ruling of the Portland FSDO. 



So if you don't want some ASI with a chip on his shoulder hanging paper 

on your plane, then it's /advisable/ that you spend the $400 and install 

an ELT which /just might/ save your butt.



Cliff



Tom Elliott wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Elliott" <N13472(at)aol.com>



 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" 

 --> <capav8r(at)gmail.com>



 Dear Tom:



 I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my comments

 on ELTs.  Yes there are exceptions.  I wrote to the majority (CJ and 52

 owners).  Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do not need

 ELTs OR parachutes.  The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only if you

 have a passenger.  



 And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs - thank

 you very much.  Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to go find

 em sometimes.  Do you?  Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.



 While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to 121.5

 before engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT.  Once we go to

 406, we can't do this anymore.  It would save a great deal of time, effort,

 and your tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.



 Regards,



 Craig



 Craig, if you felt tweaked well? But you did not address my issue. You

 stated that if people did NOT have an ELT

 they were illegally operating their aircraft. We have enough bad info on

 this list as is! So when someone who use's

 this list to disseminates inaccurate info and also sign's with a title that

 implies knowledge (i.e. Capt CAP)I think

 the correct info should be brought to the list's attention. Which I did by

 posting the FAR  14CFR91.207 parg. F that shows

 that in many types of operations you are not violating the FAR's by

 operating with OUT an ELT. And that include more than

 just single seat aircraft.



 Regards,

 Tom Elliott

 CJ-6A NX63727

 702-595-2680 



 8:35 AM

  



   


	


-- 

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Director of Maintenance

Border Air Ltd

629 Airport Rd.

Swanton, VT 05488

802-868-2822 TEL

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cliff(at)gesoco.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: ELT's

I'm not itching for a fight either.  I apologize for getting "caught up 

in the moment".

You are correct that even different ASI's in the same FSDO will 

interpret the FAR's differently.

I felt you were the pot calling the kettle black with the 

"mis-information" statement and was merely pointing out that in some 

parts of the country, operating without an ELT will be considered a 

violation of the FARs.



In any event, I'm holding out for both ACK and Ameriking to release 

their respective ELTs.  Both companies are working diligently on 

replacements for their current line.  If I remember correctly, ACK got 

sent to the back of the certification line for snafu or something.



Cheers,

Cliff



netmaster15(at)juno.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Hi Cliff, this is Cliff;

       Are you by any chance selling  the new 406s?  If not, do you 

 know the best place which is offering us a special price?  I might 

 just as well go ahead now and buy the new 406. It""s just a matter of 

 finding the best vendor.



       Thanks for your posts



       Cliff Umscheid



 -- Cliff Coy <cliff(at)gesoco.com> wrote:

 



 Tom...maybe you should call your FSDO and get their ruling.



 My argument is pretty much the opinion of the FAA over here-



 When the aircraft is not being used for exhibition at a "scheduled air

 event" then an ELT is required to be installed in the aircraft.

 This is not mis-information, this is the ruling of the Portland FSDO.



 So if you don't want some ASI with a chip on his shoulder hanging paper

 on your plane, then it's /advisable/ that you spend the $400 and install

 an ELT which /just might/ save your butt.



 Cliff



 Tom Elliott wrote:

 > 

 >

 > 

 > --> <capav8r(at)gmail.com>

 >

 > Dear Tom:

 >

 > I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my 

 comments

 > on ELTs.  Yes there are exceptions.  I wrote to the majority (CJ and 52

 > owners).  Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do 

 not need

 > ELTs OR parachutes.  The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only 

 if you

 > have a passenger.  

 >

 > And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs - 

 thank

 > you very much.  Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to 

 go find

 > em sometimes.  Do you?  Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.

 >

 > While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to 

 121.5

 > before engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT.  Once 

 we go to

 > 406, we can't do this anymore.  It would save a great deal of time, 

 effort,

 > and your tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.

 >

 > Regards,

 >

 > Craig

 >

 > Craig, if you felt tweaked well? But you did not address my issue. You

 > stated that if people did NOT have an ELT

 > they were illegally operating their aircraft. We have enough bad info on

 > this list as is! So when someone who use's

 > this list to disseminates inaccurate info and also sign's with a 

 title that

 > implies knowledge (i.e. Capt CAP)I think

 > the correct info should be brought to the list's attention. Which I 

 did by

 > posting the FAR  14CFR91.207 parg. F that shows

 > that in many types of operations you are not violating the FAR's by

 > operating with OUT an ELT. And that include more than

 > just single seat aircraft.

 >

 > Regards,

 > Tom Elliott

 > CJ-6A NX63727

 > 702-595-2680

 >

 > 8:35 AM

 >  

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >   



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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: ELT's

Aircraft Spruce has the 406 elts. They are not cheap though. 

Doc



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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: ELT's

IMHO Tom, your interpretation is correct and I agree with you.  The DAR that 

certifies the aircraft that I deliver has never asked for or required an ELT 

be installed before issuing the Airworthiness Certificate.

Dennis



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