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I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that would allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done this? What are some thoughts on it? Pictures?
-Ben
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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Ben,
I'd show you a picture of the hole through the baggage floor, but it got covered up by the side panel. Doh.
Next time I'll put a nutplate on the top of the step socket and put the bolt in from the bottom, through the belly.
This is by no means overkill. We've replaced a few RV steps for one reason or another.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
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I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that would allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done this? What are some thoughts on it? Pictures?
-Ben
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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Slick idea!
Vern Smith (#324)
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I'd show you a picture of the hole through the baggage floor, but it got covered up by the side panel. Doh.
Next time I'll put a nutplate on the top of the step socket and put the bolt in from the bottom, through the belly.
This is by no means overkill. We've replaced a few RV steps for one reason or another.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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seipel(at)seznam.cz
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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I used the parts for the stall warning horn access panel. I had to
drill the bolt hole in the steps from the side, however, to be able to
get the bolt in because of how I oriented the access panel. If you
rotate it to the right about 30 degrees or so, I believe you can still
put the bolt in per the plans.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
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-Ben
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seipel(at)seznam.cz
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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Sorry, forgot the picture.
PJ Seipel
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| Quote: | I used the parts for the stall warning horn access panel. I had to
drill the bolt hole in the steps from the side, however, to be able to
get the bolt in because of how I oriented the access panel. If you
rotate it to the right about 30 degrees or so, I believe you can still
put the bolt in per the plans.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
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> would allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done
> this? What are some thoughts on it? Pictures?
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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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Ben,
I think it’s an excellent idea especially when working around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC didn’t hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat!
Robin
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rv10(at)sinkrate.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall panel to lift the bolt up?
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM
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Subject: RE: baggage floor access plate for step
Ben,
I think it’s an excellent idea especially when working around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC didn’t hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat!
Robin
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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You either have to have a big enough hole for the head of the bolt in the bottom skin and put the bolt in from underneath or you have to have the hole in the baggage floor to get it out from there. I don't think you can get the access panel close enough to actually pull the bolt out through it.
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Saint Aviation, Inc.
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On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
| Quote: | That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall panel to lift the bolt up?
-Ben
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Subject: RE: baggage floor access plate for step
Ben,
I think it’s an excellent idea especially when working around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC didn’t hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat!
Robin
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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Just a thought but Cessna on occasion drilled a bolt insertion hole directly over the bolt and had an circular access panel below or adjacent to the bolt for hand access to tighten or loosen the bolt. the bolt insertion hole was covered with a chrome cap.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:28 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: baggage floor access plate for step
That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall panel to lift the bolt up?
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: baggage floor access plate for step
Ben,
I think it’s an excellent idea especially when working around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC didn’t hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat!
Robin
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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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Bingo! Ben.
Lew, sorry I am on the road and have too many moving parts these days to reply quickly.
There is a ½” hole drilled directly above the bolt (no pictured). That hole is normally plugged with a plastic panel plug and then the entire area covered with carpet.
Regarding the door seal we used a seal sold by McMaster Carr not the vans seal. Sorry I don’t have the style number.
(Photo attached)
Regarding the nut installation for the door, it’s not that difficult to remove and I hope the doors will not have to be taken off many more times. At least not till the first flight J
We cleaned up under the hinge a bit but ours do sit pretty flush. The metal is bent a bit down into the recess we made for the cover. There are a number of different ways to do this including living with a small bump at each hinge point.
Robin
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Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:50 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: baggage floor access plate for step
Just a thought but Cessna on occasion drilled a bolt insertion hole directly over the bolt and had an circular access panel below or adjacent to the bolt for hand access to tighten or loosen the bolt. the bolt insertion hole was covered with a chrome cap.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:28 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: baggage floor access plate for step
That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall panel to lift the bolt up?
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: baggage floor access plate for step
Ben,
I think it’s an excellent idea especially when working around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC didn’t hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat!
Robin
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seipel(at)seznam.cz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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Or drill the hole in the step horizontally. Then you can get the bolt
in and out no problem.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
Jesse Saint wrote:
| Quote: | You either have to have a big enough hole for the head of the bolt in
the bottom skin and put the bolt in from underneath or you have to
have the hole in the baggage floor to get it out from there. I don't
think you can get the access panel close enough to actually pull the
bolt out through it.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
> That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is
> there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall
> panel to lift the bolt up?
>
> -Ben
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> *Subject:* RE: baggage floor access plate for step
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> Ben,
> I think it’s an excellent idea especially when working
> around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance
> because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit
> your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt
> even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it
> to be removable in case the PC didn’t hold up. Additionally mine are
> removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat!
>
> Robin
> Photos Attached
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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I purchased 2 extra of the stall warning access panels rom Vans. I installed these in the floor inboard of the step bolts for hand access. I drilled a hole in the lower skin large enough to just clear the bolt head and stuck in a hole plug.
It works great, but I like the idea of redrilling the hole horizontal and not having the hole in the bottom skin...
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 FWF and wiring
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: baggage floor access plate for step |
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Here is what I did.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22&category=613&log=14961&row=36
It’s a push to release pin. Got it from McMaster/Carr or Grainger or someone. Also using one on my passenger side stick.
Michael
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Subject: RE: baggage floor access plate for step
Just a thought but Cessna on occasion drilled a bolt insertion hole directly over the bolt and had an circular access panel below or adjacent to the bolt for hand access to tighten or loosen the bolt. the bolt insertion hole was covered with a chrome cap. [quote] [b]
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I mounted my covers close enough that you can pull the bolt straight out or put it in. After I did all of this, I realized that the side panels will cover half of the plates. So the side panels will not be riveted in place until the very end. If I have to ever remove/replace the steps, it will be about a half dozen pop rivets that will have to be drilled out and then the places will be able to be unscrewed giving access to the step mounting bolts.
