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bill_dom(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: Accident in Spain was a Zodiac 601XL and there is a picture.

I found this from from the accident page of ultraligero.net, the entry is at the bottom:



http://www.ultraligero.net/Accidentes/08.htm



Here is a picture if you can make sense of it:



http://www.ultraligero.net/Accidentes/sant_pau.jpg



I've made a translation, keep in mind that I'm not a professional translator, just someone fluent in Spanish:



02/05/2008

Subirats (Barcelona)

Zenair 601 XL



Jordi Conesa 37, and Santiago F. A. 41 members of the Penedes club have died. The ultralight they where piloting crashed in an agricultural zone. The 2 victims where experimented pilots and all indications point to a mechanical failure.



The aircraft crashed at 40 meters from the football camp at Sant Pau d' Ordal, the principal urban nucleus of the municipality. At that moment, the benjamines of the local team where training in the field. The accident was witnessed by numerous neighbors. The testimony of some of the witnesses indicate that  the breakage of one of the wings, preceded by an explosion, was the cause of the accident. The pilots where returning the the airfield when they realized that it was getting dark. 



I will keep looking for more info and will post if something new show up.



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami Florida 

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom





Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com>

[quote] Hello William,

   

  A least in a yahoo group from Spain, where they were members, in message 22607 from Feb 08/2008   they post that it was a 601 XL,   Is in the only post (in lots of condolences and questions) that they mention about the possible airplane, but nothing else.  

  Hope our friend "Iberplanes"  can do a more  certain follow up.

    

  I found the post doing a google search of "Jordi Conesa"  the owner´s name (God Bless Him and his family).

   

  Saludos

  Gary Gower.

  Flying from Chapala, Mexico.



William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

  [quote]

Are you refering to this  accident?:



http://www.elpais.com/articulo/cataluna/muertos/estrellarse/avioneta/vinedo/Subirats/elpepiespcat/20080206elpcat_28/Tes



The news doesn't mention make and model but it is about an 2 place aircraft that apparently lost a wing in flight.



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami, Florida

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom

Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com> wrote:   	  Quote: 	
		  We had an 601 XL down in Barcelona 2 month ago. Aparently, wing fold. 



  2008/3/10, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com (iberplanes(at)gmail.com)>:   	  Quote: 	
		  Si es por un ala, me comienza a preocupar. Voy a investigar y te cuento.



saludos   

---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>

Date: 10-mar-2008 12:55

Subject: Re: Accident

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com)



--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>



Regardless, I'm adding extra ribs, going with the 12 gallon tanks instead of the 15, no wing-locker, and some sort of overridable system that limits control surface/stick travel at and above manuevering speed.

Kevin Bonds wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Andy,



  Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Sounds more like there may have

 been a problem with the canopy, if I had to guess--which we shouldn't. I

 know an eyewitness stated that a wing /may/ have come off, but I doubt

 many eyewitnesses would know a wing from a rudder or any other part in

 that instance. Hopefully they will recover the plane. The wings could,

 very well, still be intact. Sounds like the canopy will not be  size="2">

[/b]
	


	
	
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ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
Posts: 723

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Accident in Spain was a Zodiac 601XL and there is a pict

Didn't one of the others have it's wings break off AFTER an explosion? Not defending it one way or another, just trying to get the facts.



Could be something wrong with the wing, could be the wings are just fine. I don't know. I wish I did. Either way I'd like to know for sure and either fix it or forget about it.



What would cause an explosion, leaking fuel tank into the wing structure? Empty tank that for some reason exploded?



Be nice to know if the explosion occured in the wing at all. I'm guessing it did.



Also, the other one that had an explosion proceeding the accident was also in the landing pattern. Is there some clue here? Maybe switching tanks, fuel sender, fuel pump, flaps related, turning related? In these two cases I'm guessing they weren't going very fast in both cases.



[quote="bill_dom(at)yahoo.com"]I found this from from the accident page of ultraligero.net, the entry is at the bottom:



http://www.ultraligero.net/Accidentes/08.htm



Here is a picture if you can make sense of it:



http://www.ultraligero.net/Accidentes/sant_pau.jpg



I've made a translation, keep in mind that I'm not a professional translator, just someone fluent in Spanish:



02/05/2008

Subirats (Barcelona)

Zenair 601 XL



Jordi Conesa 37, and Santiago F. A. 41 members of the Penedes club have died. The ultralight they where piloting crashed in an agricultural zone. The 2 victims where experimented pilots and all indications point to a mechanical failure.



The aircraft crashed at 40 meters from the football camp at Sant Pau d' Ordal, the principal urban nucleus of the municipality. At that moment, the benjamines of the local team where training in the field. The accident was witnessed by numerous neighbors. The testimony of some of the witnesses indicate that  the breakage of one of the wings, preceded by an explosion, was the cause of the accident. The pilots where returning the the airfield when they realized that it was getting dark. 



I will keep looking for more info and will post if something new show up.



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami Florida 

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom





Gary Gower <ggower_99>

[quote] Hello William,

   

  A least in a yahoo group from Spain, where they were members, in message 22607 from Feb 08/2008   they post that it was a 601 XL,   Is in the only post (in lots of condolences and questions) that they mention about the possible airplane, but nothing else.  

  Hope our friend "Iberplanes"  can do a more  certain follow up.

    

  I found the post doing a google search of "Jordi Conesa"  the owner?s name (God Bless Him and his family).

   

  Saludos

  Gary Gower.

  Flying from Chapala, Mexico.



William Dominguez <bill_dom> wrote:

   	  Quote: 	
		  

Are you refering to this  accident?:



http://www.elpais.com/articulo/cataluna/muertos/estrellarse/avioneta/vinedo/Subirats/elpepiespcat/20080206elpcat_28/Tes



The news doesn't mention make and model but it is about an 2 place aircraft that apparently lost a wing in flight.



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami, Florida

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom

Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes> wrote:   	  Quote: 	
		  We had an 601 XL down in Barcelona 2 month ago. Aparently, wing fold. 



  2008/3/10, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes>:   	  Quote: 	
		  Si es por un ala, me comienza a preocupar. Voy a investigar y te cuento.



saludos   

---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: ashontz <ashontz>

Date: 10-mar-2008 12:55

Subject: Re: Accident

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com)



--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz>



Regardless, I'm adding extra ribs, going with the 12 gallon tanks instead of the 15, no wing-locker, and some sort of overridable system that limits control surface/stick travel at and above manuevering speed.

Kevin Bonds wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Andy,



  Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Sounds more like there may have

 been a problem with the canopy, if I had to guess--which we shouldn't. I

 know an eyewitness stated that a wing /may/ have come off, but I doubt

 many eyewitnesses would know a wing from a rudder or any other part in

 that instance. Hopefully they will recover the plane. The wings could,

 very well, still be intact. Sounds like the canopy will not be  size="2">

[/b]

	


	
	
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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Accident in Spain was a Zodiac 601XL and there is a pict

Andy, witness accounts are horribly bad. If I was charged with murder I'd rather have five eye witnesses testifying against me than one blurry picture of me committing the crime.

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