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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: Needley engine

I posted this in the engines group, but nobody replied.



"Does anyone know anything about this engine?

http://www.needleyengines.com

The engine on the site is 52 hp and 105ft-lbs (at) 2750 and 2550rpm. But they state that they are working on a 4 cylinder 80 hp version. Since its a low rpm engine the torque might be  be high enough to look into for a 701.

My question comes about, be cause the site was last updated in 2005 ,they don't answer the phone and their email bounces. Google searches barley bring up anything. I know it sound like belly up to me too, but its interesting enough to ask around."



Thanks



Kevin

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John75142

Joined: 05 Dec 2007
Posts: 56
Location: Kaufman, TX

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: Needley engine

Kevin:



Not sure but you might try (at)embarqmail.com on the end of the email. We used 

to have earthlink.net and they forced us to change when Sprint was bought 

out by Embarq.



Good looking engine though.



John (scratch building 701)

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Larry Hursh

Joined: 16 Feb 2008
Posts: 125
Location: Edwardsburg, MI (near Elkhart, IN)

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: Needley engine

If this was me and nobody even answers the phone, I would never consider using any of their product.  Look at it this way, if you needed parts or service, HOW are you going to get it?  I would look at another source of an engine like a Corvair, Subaru, Aero V or any of the other engines available.  

   

  I'm personally doing the Corvair Conversion for my CH 601 XL.  I chose this simply because it's a conversion I can do myself and it will be an engine I can maintain.  It will help cut the costs considerably from that of a Rotax or Jabiru.   It's just a matter of personal choice I guess.  There are a lot of options out here and you'll just have to decide which one will fit yours needs.

   

  Larry H 

  N601LL Reserved

   

  

kmccune <kmccune(at)somtel.net> wrote:

  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kmccune" 



I posted this in the engines group, but nobody replied.



"Does anyone know anything about this engine?

http://www.needleyengines.com

The engine on the site is 52 hp and 105ft-lbs (at) 2750 and 2550rpm. But they state that they are working on a 4 cylinder 80 hp version. Since its a low rpm engine the might be be high enough to look into for a 701.

My question comes about, be cause the site was last updated in 2005 ,they don't answer the phone and their email bounces. Google searches barley bring up anything. I know it sound like belly up to me too, but its interesting enough to ask around."



Thanks



Kevin



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N701DZ Reserved





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CH650 (Converted from CH601XL)
1/2 done with fuselage
will be Corvair Powered

hansriet

Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Needley engine

The last update on their website is from 2005? That tells you something.



Hans

kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Needley engine

There are a lot of reasons for not updating websites, heck mine has not been updated for 3 years, OK its a personal/family one, but it is right up my alley...jobs wise. As for the phone, my best guess is that they are a 1-5 guys place, maybe out of a garage? As for parts they state that they have used industry standard car parts for th wear items.



It IS a nice looking little engine, sorta like a continental 65, but new. This is why I'm looking into it ( in 4 cylinder mode). My big picture still includes the Raven G13BB, but I'd love an air cooled engine. I still have not ruled out the Corvair, but it seems that by the time you put a 5th bearing on it, well it then weighs even more.



I'll try the email trick.



Thanks



Kevin

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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Needley engine

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     From experience, WW isn't the  best communicator around, either.

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Larry Hursh

Joined: 16 Feb 2008
Posts: 125
Location: Edwardsburg, MI (near Elkhart, IN)

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: Needley engine

If you're not needing a bigger engine, the one I would want is the Aero-Conversions "Aero-V".  Its a brand new conversion motor that YOU assemble.  They supply all the parts and a video to follow along with.  It's an 80 HP motor, brand new and the cost is $6495.  This is the engine that the Sonex builders use.  It weighs full complete at 161 pounds.  Here is their website if you or anyone else is interested:  http://www.aeroconversions.com/aero_vee_2002.html

   

  If I was building a 701 and didn't need the extra power, this is the one I would build....

   

  Larry H

  601 XL



kmccune <kmccune(at)somtel.net> wrote:

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There are a lot of reasons for not updating websites, heck mine has not been updated for 3 years, OK its a personal/family one, but it is right up my alley...jobs wise. As for the phone, my best guess is that they are a 1-5 guys place, maybe out of a garage? As for parts they state that they have used industry standard car parts for th wear items.



It IS a nice looking little engine, sorta like a continental 65, but new. This is why I'm looking into it ( in 4 cylinder mode). My big picture still includes the Raven G13BB, but I'd love an air cooled engine. I still have not ruled out the Corvair, but it seems that by the time you put a 5th bearing on it, well it then weighs even more.



I'll try the email trick.



Thanks



Kevin



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Kevin

N701DZ Reserved





Read this topic online [quote][b]

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"One rivet at a time......one day at a time.."

CH650 (Converted from CH601XL)
1/2 done with fuselage
will be Corvair Powered

kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Needley engine

Thanks for the info, but I am build the 701 for its unique ability's, otherwise I'd have built a Rans S7. I did initially look at it, but it does not develop enough thrust, I really like the carb. And the redrive VWs run pretty high engine RPMs to get the power. Great Planes had a water cooled engine, but it seems to have disappeared.



There really is a huge hole in the market for this engine. [/i]

larry(at)macsmachine.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: Needley engine

Kevin,

The Raven's Suzuki is being flown on a 701 with great performance and 

it's lighter than most of the others.

I don't see any engine that matches the weight/power etc, especially in 

water cooled engines.

http://www.raven-rotor.com/

http://www.n701rr.com/HTMLs/engine.htm

Rick Roberts 701 page describes an extremely well done engine. He has a 

youtube video with sound

of the 701 in flight etc.  Definitely worth a serious look.  This engine 

is one of the best alternatives to the

expensive Rotax engines and lighter than most others.  Water cooled 

engines sound better and

generally cost less to run and maintain.  For a 701 this is a good choice.



Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com



kmccune wrote:

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 Thanks for the info, but I am build the 701 for its unique ability's, otherwise I'd have built a Rans S7. I did initially look at it, but it does not develop enough thrust, I really like the carb. And the redrive VWs run pretty high engine RPMs to get the power. Great Planes had a water cooled engine, but it seems to have disappeared.



 There really is a huge hole in the market for this engine. [/i]



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 Kevin

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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Needley engine

Don't get me wrong the Raven G13BB is an awesome engine, I have traded emails with Rick, who seems tickled with it. 

What I can't get, is an all up with accessories and extra FI  and water cooling paraphernalia weight for the Raven. Ricks plane is pretty heavy, but he is unsure of the exact weight of his various parts. ( no offense Rick, love that plane of yours, but I am wanting as much useful load as I can get. I have to admit that it is a miserly engine with the gas consumption though). I also don't care much for the idea of high pressure gas lines and return lines. I have the system all drawn out, but I'd rather have a simple carb and gravity/low pressure fuel pump, and air cooling. I just like air-cooled engines.

I guess its a nostalgia thing, and or the KISS approach.

kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Needley engine

Maybe I was jumping the gun a little, this was just on light sportaircraft



http://www.lightsportaircraft.ca/volume2-issue8/webcast-4/index.html

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