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pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 708
Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

Come on Marlowe...  You should know better than that.  Arion's site is not the only one that is succeptable to an occasional outage for maintenance or SW problem.

  

 I was on the site last night with no problems.  http://www.arionaircraft.com

  

 Give it a half day and then try again.  I'm sure you will find them back up.  I would not let this deter you in any way regarding their product.

  

 Let me know if you need any help

  

 Jim!

http://www.jimslightning.com

 

 

 On 3/3/08, Marlowe <joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net (joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net)> wrote: [quote]--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Marlowe" <joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net (joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net)>

 

In my recent attempts to visit arionaircraft.com I have met with one of those generic domain name available screens.  What's the deal?  Arion hasn't gone under has it?  With all the tendency for aviation companies (especially kit based) to go belly up, when I saw the dead site, bankruptcy was my first reaction.

 

Green Landings seems to be the only real site associated with Lightning that's still alive.  Did Green Landings buy out Arion?



Please tell me I'm missing a vital piece of information and they are still a healthy airplane kit selling company.

 

Confused and worried.



-marlowe





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mark(at)flylightning.net
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

Marlowe and all others,



Arion Aircraft is fine and still open for business. We've experienced some

server issues for the past couple of days but those should be cleared up

shortly.



Rest assured we're still here.



Have a great day!



Mark



Mark Stauffer

Production Manager

Arion Aircraft



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pete(at)flylightning.net
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

The Lightning web site may be down for a short time today as we change to a

different internet provider.  Please bear with us.



Also - there may be some emails lost in the switch over so if you don't see

a response today or tomorrow to your email please send it again.



Hopefully we'll be up and running by end of the day

Pete Krotje

Arion Aircraft

pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 708
Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

I thought maybe your top secret Skunk Works project was siezed by the government for their fighter development....

 



 

 On 3/3/08, Mark Stauffer <mark(at)flylightning.net (mark(at)flylightning.net)> wrote: [quote]--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net (mark(at)flylightning.net)>

 

Marlowe and all others,



Arion Aircraft is fine and still open for business. We've experienced some

server issues for the past couple of days but those should be cleared up

shortly.



Rest assured we're still here.

 

Have a great day!



Mark



Mark Stauffer

Production Manager

Arion Aircraft



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N1BZRich(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

I thought maybe your top secret Skunk Works project was  siezed by the government 

  

 Well, they did manage to get into the Squirrel works "confidential level",  but the Skunk works "top secret" level is still secure.  Squirrel works  photo attached.  Notice the squirrel cage construction.

 Blue skies,

 Buz



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info(at)flylightning.net
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

Well with mentions of it in previous e-mails and the news letter they are

now looking into our flying wing concept...yep cats outa the bag now!



nick



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pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 708
Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

OH BOY!!

  

 (grin)



 

 On 3/3/08, flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net (info(at)flylightning.net)> wrote: [quote]--> Lightning-List message posted by: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net (info(at)flylightning.net)>

 

Well with mentions of it in previous e-mails and the news letter they are

now looking into our flying wing concept...yep cats outa the bag now!



nick



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Marlowe

Joined: 03 Mar 2008
Posts: 3
Location: Lewes, DE

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Arion www site down why?

I'm glad to hear that it's just a server issue.  It's an all too common thing in aviation for companies to go under (probably too many people who love flying and building and don't really care for running a business). 



I hope Lightning is around for the long haul.  



-marlowe

Kayberg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

In a message dated 3/3/2008 8:27:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net writes:

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I'm    glad to hear that it's just a server issue.  It's an all too common thing    in aviation for companies to go under (probably too many people who love    flying and building and don't really care for running a business). 



I    hope Lightning is around for the long haul.  

	


 

  

 While I am not privy to the exact financials, I am quite confident in  Pete and the Lightning folks.  Arion is an independent corporation that  contracts for engines, fiberglass moulding and hardware.  While it has few  hard assets, making it shallow pockets to the lawsuit; it has some strong  associations.   Pete's Jabiru sales lead the world in engines (and  possibly airframes), keeping the hanger rent paid the and heat on.    

  

 Before we at Green Landings became a Lightning Dealer, a lot of questions  were asked.   From top to bottom, Arion checked out in terms  of planning, funding and personnel.  In fact, we were more than a  little envious.

  

 I found the speculation sparked by  the website being down to be quite  amusing.

  

 Doug Koenigsberg

  



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dashvii(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

Here's something that I found interesting the other day.  The Liberty XL which is a normal category certified trainer.  I got an email the other day that they were about 7-8 years in production and just sold the 100th airplane.  Arion has been about a year and a half in production and just delivered around the 56th I think.  Sure, one is not a kitplane, but still, I am impressed with the numbers in such a short time.  Also lots of good modification and progress from the original airframe.  It also seems like they are in large part making it backwards compatible so that owners of previous year models can make the jump to the latest and greatest improvements.  Just thought I'd add that in.  Brian W.

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		    From: Kayberg(at)aol.com

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:05:32 -0500

Subject: Re: Re: Arion www site down why?

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

   In a message dated 3/3/2008 8:27:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net writes:

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I'm glad to hear that it's just a server issue.  It's an all too common thing in aviation for companies to go under (probably too many people who love flying and building and don't really care for running a business). 

I hope Lightning is around for the long haul.  

 While I am not privy to the exact financials, I am quite confident in Pete and the Lightning folks.  Arion is an independent corporation that contracts for engines, fiberglass moulding and hardware.  While it has few hard assets, making it shallow pockets to the lawsuit; it has some strong associations.   Pete's Jabiru sales lead the world in engines (and possibly airframes), keeping the hanger rent paid the and heat on.   

 Before we at Green Landings became a Lightning Dealer, a lot of questions were asked.   From top to bottom, Arion checked out in terms of planning, funding and personnel.  In fact, we were more than a little envious.

 I found the speculation sparked by  the website being down to be quite amusing.

 Doug Koenigsberg

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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

In a message dated 3/4/2008 7:10:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  Kayberg(at)aol.com writes:

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		     Before we at Green Landings became a Lightning Dealer, a lot of questions    were asked.   From top to bottom, Arion checked out in terms    of planning, funding and personnel.  In fact, we were more than a    little envious.

	


 

 Well said, Doug.  

     I am confident that the entire Lightning team  (and the word "team" includes all the dealers as well as the SYI Headquarters  group) are a dedicated group of businessmen that just happen to also be  aviation enthusiast.  What could be a better combination than that.   

 Blue Skies,

 Buz



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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

In a message dated 3/4/2008 8:23:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  dashvii(at)hotmail.com writes:

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		  Arion    has been about a year and a half in production and just delivered around the    56th I think.  Sure, one is not a kitplane, but still, I am impressed    with the numbers in such a short time. 	


 

 Brian,

     I certainly agree with your above statement, but  what is even more impressive to me is that at least 22 are already flying.   I think that in itself may be some sort of record - to have that high of kit  completion rate in such a short time.  I don't know how we could check that  out, but I can think of no other kit aircraft that can come  close.  The Lightning is definitely a winner - and a patriot, not  a pinhead.    

 Blue Skies,

 Buz



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pete(at)flylightning.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

All,  

   

I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of web hosting companies.  We decided to change to the new one because we plan on upgrading the flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be working with (the one currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has his own web hosting business.  Our old provider is proving difficult to work with to allow us to get the job done.  Net result is that it will take another day to get it all together.  

   

Please be patient.  

   

Pete Krotje  

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Marlowe

Joined: 03 Mar 2008
Posts: 3
Location: Lewes, DE

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Arion www site down why?

Wow, I am impressed to see that Arion has such a good reputation and is so highly regarded by you guys.  



My only experience with Arion was talking with the guys at Sun-N-Fun and Osh Kosh for a while, sitting in the plane, and dreaming.  That said, I was completely unaware of their business plan, practices, and reputation.  



I'm in the dreaming stage of plane building and lurk around aviation sites to  keep informed so when the time comes, I know which plane to go with.  Your obvious satisfaction and proud association with Arion speaks very highly of their standards, product, and support.  I hope to be able to visit and experience those things for myself soon.  



An aspiring builder,



-marlowe

pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 708
Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

Keep dreaming and working towards your goal.  I did the same thing myself and eventually got myself in a position where I could afford to get started.  The Arion bunch, and especially the group on here have been valuable in support, both emotionally and technically.

   

 Good luck!



 

 On 3/4/08, Marlowe <joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net (joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net)> wrote: [quote]--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Marlowe" <joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net (joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net)>

 

Wow, I am impressed to see that Arion has such a good reputation and is so highly regarded by you guys.



My only experience with Arion was talking with the guys at Sun-N-Fun and Osh Kosh for a while, sitting in the plane, and dreaming.  That said, I was completely unaware of their business plan, practices, and reputation.

 

I'm in the dreaming stage of plane building and lurk around aviation sites to  keep informed so when the time comes, I know which plane to go with.  Your obvious satisfaction and proud association with Arion speaks very highly of their standards, product, and support.  I hope to be able to visit and experience those things for myself soon.

 

An aspiring builder,



-marlowe





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Kayberg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

In a message dated 3/4/2008 9:45:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  joshmarlowe01(at)netscape.net writes:

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		  Wow, I    am impressed to see that Arion has such a good reputation and is so highly    regarded by you guys.  



My only experience with Arion was talking    with the guys at Sun-N-Fun and Osh Kosh for a while, sitting in the plane, and    dreaming.  That said, I was completely unaware of their business plan,    practices, and reputation.  



I'm in the dreaming stage of plane    building and lurk around aviation sites to  keep informed so when the    time comes, I know which plane to go with.  Your obvious satisfaction and    proud association with Arion speaks very highly of their standards, product,    and support.  I hope to be able to visit and experience those things for    myself soon.  



	


 

  

 Josh,

  

 The rest of us have spent our time dreaming, sitting in airplanes and  talking to the pros also, so you are on the right track.

  

 In the world of experimental aviation, there are a substantial number of  wannabe companies.  A significant number of them are staffed by "gipsy's,  tramps and thieves".   I cant name names in an email, but trust me,  there are some outrageous stories out there, most of them true.

  

 I made my decisions by flying the pre-prototype, spending time with the key  people, working shoulder to shoulder with them building planes.   In  my opinion, it is the quality of the Arion people along with the quality of the  Lightning customers that builds the strongest case.  Building an airplane,  even with builder assist is not an easy project.  Lots of tough decisions  and mental battles.  Much easier to do a build with quality caring factory  support....even when the support is "tough love"!!

  

 An old sales rep told me, "I dont partner with people I would not want to  have dinner with"!   I wouldnt want to buy a plane from people I  would not want to build with.  

  

 Doug



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pete(at)flylightning.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

Hi All,  

   

The www.flylightning.net site is now back up and running at 100% (I think).  Our email should now be working as well.  If you sent us email in the last 48 hours please send it again.  

   

If you find any problems with the web site please let me know right away.  

   

Pete Krotje  

         

  

From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete

 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:34 AM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Arion www site down why?  

  

   

All,  

   

I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of web hosting companies.  We decided to change to the new one because we plan on upgrading the flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be working with (the one currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has his own web hosting business.  Our old provider is proving difficult to work with to allow us to get the job done.  Net result is that it will take another day to get it all together.  

   

Please be patient.  

   

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

From: Pete [mailto:pete(at)flylightning.net] 

 Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:51 AM

 To: 'lightning-list(at)matronics.com'

 Subject: RE: Re: Arion www site down why?  

Hi All,  

The www.flylightning.net site is now back up and running at 100% (I think).  Our email should now be working as well.  If you sent us email in the last 48 hours please send it again.  

If you find any problems with the web site please let me know right away.  

Pete Krotje  

From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete

 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:34 AM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Arion www site down why?  

All,  

I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of web hosting companies.  We decided to change to the new one because we plan on upgrading the flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be working with (the one currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has his own web hosting business.  Our old provider is proving difficult to work with to allow us to get the job done.  Net result is that it will take another day to get it all together.  

Please be patient.  

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cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

too bad you lost your # of site viewers at the bottom

of the main page from 500 thousand to now only 50. it

makes the plane look like a new company.

--- Pete <pete(at)flylightning.net> wrote:



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 From: Pete [mailto:pete(at)flylightning.net] 

 Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:51 AM

 To: 'lightning-list(at)matronics.com'

 Subject: RE: Re: Arion www site down

 why?

 

  

 

 Hi All,

 

  

 

 The www.flylightning.net

 <http://www.flylightning.net/>  site is now back up

 and running at 100% (I think).  Our email should now

 be working as well.  If

 you sent us email in the last 48 hours please send

 it again.

 

  

 

 If you find any problems with the web site please

 let me know right away.

 

  

 

 Pete Krotje

 

  

 

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 From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]

 On Behalf Of Pete

 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:34 AM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Arion www site down

 why?

 

  

 

 All,

 

  

 

 I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of

 web hosting companies.

 We decided to change to the new one because we plan

 on upgrading the

 flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be

 working with (the one

 currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has

 his own web hosting

 business.  Our old provider is proving difficult to

 work with to allow us to

 get the job done.  Net result is that it will take

 another day to get it all

 together.

 

  

 

 Please be patient.

 

  

 

 Pete Krotje

 

  

  

  

 


	


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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: Arion www site down why?

In a message dated 3/5/2008 12:17:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com writes:

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		  too bad    you lost your # of site viewers at the bottom

of the main page from 500    thousand to now only 50. 	


 

 Good catch, Charles.  OK, all you guys that have bought  kits, click on the http://www.flylightning.net/ site  about 10,000 each to get the numbers back up.  Ready, set, go.  First  one to 10,000 let us know.

 Buz



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