Matronics Email Lists Forum Index Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists
 
 Get Email Distribution Too!Get Email Distribution Too!    FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Any interesting annuals lately?

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> TeamGrumman-List
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
res02p3h(at)comcast.net
Guest
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Any interesting annuals lately? Reply with quote
Gary,

Have you had any interesting/odd annuals recently?

Thanks.

Bruce Smith

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List
Back to top
GrummanDude



Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA
PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Any interesting annuals lately? Reply with quote
Well, yes I have.  I did an annual on a 75 Tiger in which the entire instrument panel had been cut open at the avionics stack.  Picture if you will, the panel being cut 6 1/4 inches wide, the width of the avionics stack, from the top to the bottom, and then braces and avionics trays installed to replace the strength removed by the removing the panel.  
The wings were leaking at bond lines.  I referred him to Fletcher but he said it was too far to go.

Every surface had been riveted together.  Obviously, major debonding.  The fuel tanks are the last sections to be riveted.

I had another customer deliver his plane saying, "I need it in a week to fly to Southern California."  I finished the plane and called one of the three partners; the one who wanted the plane in a week.  He couldn't fly over because his life insurance wasn't paid off.  The second owner had lost his medical and couldn't fly.  The third partner just bought a Bonanza and was busy.  After going back and forth, I got paid.  Two months passed.  The first partner finally got his life insurance paid off and was working with the third owner to get a ride over.  A day was arranged.  I waited.  and waited.  No owner.  I called.  Apparently the third partner was not IFR current, and, even though the sky was blue from the bay area to Auburn, could not fly over the cloud cover in the central valley because, God forbid, what if the engine in his Bonanza quits and he has to land in the fog.  I finally moved the plane to transient parking, called the first partner and told him it would cost $10 a day in transient.  He was there the next day to pick up the plane. 

I finished another annual, the owner paid 1/3 of the annual, and, since she lost her medical, has decided to leave the plane in Auburn.  Any interest in a good deal on a 79 Cheetah?


--

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List

_________________
Gary
AuCountry Aviation
Home of Team Grumman
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
mkaratsonyi(at)hotmail.co
Guest
PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Any interesting annuals lately? Reply with quote
just out of curiosty, what do you charge for an annual for 1978 grumman aa1c i would fly to you and assist?

[quote] To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Any interesting annuals lately?
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:11:39 -0400
From: teamgrumman(at)aol.com

Well, yes I have. I did an annual on a 75 Tiger in which the entire instrument panel had been cut open at the avionics stack. Picture if you will, the panel being cut 6 1/4 inches wide, the width of the avionics stack, from the top to the bottom, and then braces and avionics trays installed to replace the strength removed by the removing the panel.
The wings were leaking at bond lines. I referred him to Fletcher but he said it was too far to go.

Every surface had been riveted together. Obviously, major debonding. The fuel tanks are the last sections to be riveted.

I had another customer deliver his plane saying, "I need it in a week to fly to Southern California." I finished the plane and called one of the three partners; the one who wanted the plane in a week. He couldn't fly over because his life insurance wasn't paid off. The second owner had lost his medical and couldn't fly. The third partner just bought a Bonanza and was busy. After going back and forth, I got paid. Two months passed. The first partner finally got his life insurance paid off and was working with the third owner to get a ride over.  A day was arranged. I waited. and waited. No owner.  I called. Apparently the third partner was not IFR current, and, even though the sky was blue from the bay area to Auburn, could not fly over the cloud cover in the central valley because, God forbid, what if the engine in his Bonanza quits and he has to land in the fog. I finally moved the plane to transient parking, called the first partner and told him it would cost $10 a day in transient. He was there the next day to pick up the plane.

I finished another annual, the owner paid 1/3 of the annual, and, since she lost her medical, has decided to leave the plane in Auburn. Any interest in a good deal on a 79 Cheetah?


--

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List
Back to top
andy747(at)charter.net
Guest
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:55 am    Post subject: Any interesting annuals lately? Reply with quote
Gary,

Can you supply some details on the 79 Cheetah or put me in touch with the seller.

thanks,

Andy Thomas
[quote] ---

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List
Back to top
marc(at)skymachines.com
Guest
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: Any interesting annuals lately? Reply with quote
It never ceases to amaze me what owners and sellers of airplanes expect for their money. And the cheapskatedness of aircraft owners in general is amazing, considering many have a lot more money than the shops they do business with. But there seems to be more cheapskatedness by the owners of Mooneys and Grumans than Bonanza and 210 drivers. Makes sense, I suppose, as the efficiency of the former would naturally attract those who want to skimp.

I'm old-fashioned I guess. I believe 1.) You get what you pay for 2.) Either you can afford an airplane or you can't...if you can, then you pay the your bills on time, every time. If you can't, you sell it and become a renter. 3.) If you make a deal or a promise, you stick to it, even if you lose your medical, your car's transmission goes out, it's IFR, or whatever...no excuses. 4.) If you're in business, you return calls within 24 hours and you check your email at least once daily.

Example: A partner just picked up our airplane from some repairs done by a shop an hour away we hadn't used before. I pay the bills, so I called the shop and said, "Fax me the invoice." He did it within an hour. I called back. "The invoice is $2100. All we got today is $1500. My partner will bring a check down for that. We'll have the rest next week, then you can mail me the logbook stickers for the work." I didn't question any of the expenses on the invoice (if I wasn't happy with the invoice, I would have just not gone to him again). Come the following week, I mailed him a check for $600. I would have done that even if I had to borrow the money from my credit card at 21% interest BECAUSE I SAID I WOULD. Two days later, I had the logbook stickers in the mail from him.

Again, this was a new shop for us. What do you think the chances we'll do business with him again is? Probably 100%. What are the chances he'll WANT to do business with us again? Probably 100%. All because he and I did what we said we would, when we said we would.

[quote] From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of teamgrumman(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:12 PM
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Any interesting annuals lately?

Well, yes I have. I did an annual on a 75 Tiger in which the entire instrument panel had been cut open at the avionics stack. Picture if you will, the panel being cut 6 1/4 inches wide, the width of the avionics stack, from the top to the bottom, and then braces and avionics trays installed to replace the strength removed by the removing the panel.
The wings were leaking at bond lines. I referred him to Fletcher but he said it was too far to go.

Every surface had been riveted together. Obviously, major debonding. The fuel tanks are the last sections to be riveted.

I had another customer deliver his plane saying, "I need it in a week to fly to Southern California." I finished the plane and called one of the three partners; the one who wanted the plane in a week. He couldn't fly over because his life insurance wasn't paid off. The second owner had lost his medical and couldn't fly. The third partner just bought a Bonanza and was busy. After going back and forth, I got paid. Two months passed. The first partner finally got his life insurance paid off and was working with the third owner to get a ride over. A day was arranged. I waited. and waited. No owner. I called. Apparently the third partner was not IFR current, and, even though the sky was blue from the bay area to Auburn, could not fly over the cloud cover in the central valley because, God forbid, what if the engine in his Bonanza quits and he has to land in the fog. I finally moved the plane to transient parking, called the first partner and told him it would cost $10 a day in transient. He was there the next day to pick up the plane.

I finished another annual, the owner paid 1/3 of the annual, and, since she lost her medical, has decided to leave the plane in Auburn. Any interest in a good deal on a 79 Cheetah?


--

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List
Back to top
GrummanDude



Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Any interesting annuals lately? Reply with quote
As a rule, I don't work on the 2 seater.  There is a 2 seater owner here, however, that I've mentored, and he does pretty good work (if "I" think he does good, then he does good work).  He has asked me to have those with 2 seaters, wanting annuals, to have them brought here and he'd work on them.  If you want to bring your plane up, I can find room for you.  The shop hours are generally between noon and 8pm.  When I have an owner assist, I've been known to start as early as 9am.  Shop rate is currently $80/hr.  I'm trying to hold down prices during this economic boom we are privy to.  


--

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List

_________________
Gary
AuCountry Aviation
Home of Team Grumman
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
GrummanDude



Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:54 am    Post subject: Any interesting annuals lately? Reply with quote
Here is the skinny on the Cheetah.  
It's a 79 with 2878 TTSN.  1029 SMOH.  (I would put new cylinders on it.)  Compressions in the 76 range.  I installed a Garmin 430 audio panel this annual.  The 'thing' she had in there was scary.  505 hours on the vacuum pump (I would replace this too).  260 on the alternator.  390 on the carb.  etc.  It has had regular maintenance over the years.  The horizontal braces were replaced two years ago by an outfit in Minden Nevada.  The engine is fairly smooth.  The prop needs an overhaul.  I put all new baffles in it last year.  

As for radios, it has a Garmin 300 xl, and a spot for a King KX 170.  The unit I took out was/is garbage.  The transponder is, I think, a King 76.  It has an old glide slope but I don't know if it works.  

The interior is average to poor.  The paint is average to poor.  

This would be a great plane for someone wanting to buy cheap and fly cheap.  Wow, that sounds like the entire Grumman community doesn't it.  

It isn't a plane I would fall in love with.  The wings have had some damage in the past and had sections (roughly 18 inches square) replaced (I think Fletcher did one section).  It needs wheel pants.  It has them, they are plastic and in need of replacement.  The glass is in very poor shape.  The windshield is so foggy it would make IFR training very easy.  

For $35,000 it would make someone a plane owner on which they could do a little work and have a decent plane.  I haven't take any pictures of it.  


--

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List

_________________
Gary
AuCountry Aviation
Home of Team Grumman
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> TeamGrumman-List All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group