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 Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/14/08 |
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THIS IS AN RV FORUM. NOT GENERAL DISCUSSION of your OPINIONS!!
[quote] Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:57:46 -0700
From: rv-list(at)matronics.com
To: rv-list-digest(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/14/08
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Total Messages Posted Fri 03/14/08: 15
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:50 AM - Re: Nuclear Energy (Bubblehead)
2. 06:40 AM - Registration Display (Dave Reel)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/13/08 (glen matejcek)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Nuclear Energy (linn Walters)
5. 07:57 AM - Re: Registration Display (Bob)
6. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Nuclear Energy (Bob)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: Registration Display (Bob Leffler)
8. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Nuclear Energy (Steven Reynard)
9. 09:25 AM - Re: Registration Display (Greg Young)
10. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Nuclear Energy (Terry Watson)
11. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/13/08 (Chuck Jensen)
12. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/13/08 (ptrotter(at)optonline.net)
13. 03:22 PM - Re: Aircraft Sale (RV-8A) (Tim Lewis)
14. 06:08 PM - The Ethanol Fantasy (RScott)
15. 07:32 PM - Re: The Ethanol Fantasy (n801bh(at)netzero.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:50:38 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Nuclear Energy
From: "Bubblehead" <jdalman2000(at)yahoo.com>
Hey guys - please take this discussion off-line and off this forum. I get enough
conflict and argument in my day job! Neither of your opinions is going to change
as a result of the discussion, and I subscribe to this forum to learn about
and read about RVs!
This is the RV list, not the nuclear power list.
Thanks,
John
former USN "Nuke"
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John Dalman
Elburn, IL
RV-8 N247TD
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169777#169777
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 06:40:31 AM PST US
From: "Dave Reel" <dreel(at)cox.net>
Subject: Registration Display
Does my RV-8A need it's FAA registration or other paper work displayed
in the cockpit or can I keep it in an envelope inside one of my panel
storage boxes? I do have the EXPERIMENTAL and the warning blurb text
attached so the passenger can read it from their aft seat & it passed
FAA inspection.
Tim flew and I rode passenger yesterday. Exciting. Tim can really land
smoothly & keep the nose up for roll out. Unfortunately, I'm now ready
to show everything to possible buyers because I got cancer & have to
sell a plane in great condition with only 50hr flight time.
Dave Reel
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 06:55:51 AM PST US
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/13/08
Hi Chuck-
Indeed, the embrittlement of SS doesn't seem to be much of a concern
anymore, although it still does seem to be one for the fuel rods. Clearly,
that represents a lot less waste in a much more manageable form than if the
whole primary apparatus has to be scrapped periodically.
However, WRT the tritium issue:
You wrote "> As Jerry Isler pointed out...don't confuse commercial nuclear
power with Government
> weapons programs."
In response to what I wrote: "Not a direct correlation to the civil
power industry, "
You also wrote "However, to call tritium
> permanent and highly toxic is mistaken on all accounts.
In response to "but an example of a permanent, highly toxic waste leak that
wasn't supposed to happen, and won't get better by itself"
Okay, I could have phrased that more carefully. The comment was about the
leak in general. If tritium is leaking from the buried reactors and
getting into the ground water, you can bet other, highly toxic things are
as well.
Also: >With a half-life of
> 12 years, tritium decays away rapidly which is the reason the Government
keeps
> wanting to replenish its supply for warheads.
Okay, in geologic terms it has an excruciatingly short life span. To
someone drinking water laced with tritium on a daily basis, it lasts long
enough.
> As to it being highly toxic, this is simply not so. The beta radiation
given off
> by tritium will not penetrate a piece of paper or your skin. It is only
of
> interest when ingested.
Like from the city water supply.
>Even then, being water based, it is rapidly excreted
> from the body...especially if you help it along with a six-pack.
>From the Hazardous Substances Data Bank:
Human Toxicity Excerpts:
...Tritium in water form is readily retained in the body and remains with a
biological half-life of approximately 10 days. Due to the body's ready
adsorption of tritium in the form of tritiated water, exposure to tritiated
water in air is on the order of 15,000 to 25,000 times more hazardous than
exposure to gaseous tritium (HT, DT, and T2).
[USDOE; DOE Handbook Tritium Handling and Safe Storage
DOE-HDBK-11290YrXXXX-YR p. 5 (December 1991). Available from
http://www.eh.doe.gov/techstds/tsdrafts/doe-hdbk-1129-yr.pdf as of July 29,
2006 ]**PEER REVIEWED**
Okay, with a biological half life of 10 days, and drinking water repeatedly
each day, continuos exposure seems to be a given. And IIRC, the Pacific
northwest is rather fond and proud of it's local breweries, so I'm guessing
the six-pack will only hurt, not help.
> So, reactor embrittlement, like tritium, sound pretty ominous, but
neither are
> of consequence to the safety of the plant or public. Now, if you would
like to
> discuss the environmental safety of the DOE sites (Oak Ridge, Hanford,
Savannah
> River, et al), that's an altogether different animal, but has nothing to
do
> with commercial nuclear power used to produce electricity, so please
don't confuse
> the two.
I say again, "Not a direct correlation to the civil
power industry, "
> If given the choice to live 10 miles down wind of a coal fired plant or a
nuclear
> plant, the nuclear plant is the choice by a landslide. The coal fired
plant
> actually emits more radiation than a nuclear plant because of the natural
radioisotopes
> in coal that are continuously emitted into the air, along with sulfur,
> particulates and a potpourri of other chemicals. Nuclear is represented
> to be clean for a reason!
Clearly, that bit of marketing hasn't worked too well.
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.ne
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:34:00 AM PST US
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Nuclear Energy
Bubblehead wrote:
>
>Hey guys - please take this discussion off-line and off this forum.
>
PLEASE NOT YET!!! I'm learning a lot here! My knowledge is really
dated and this data dump is kinda reinforcing my position on nuke power.
> I get enough conflict and argument in my day job!
>
Ah, but I haven't seen any argument ...... just a difference of opinion
.....
> Neither of your opinions is going to change as a result of the discussion,
>
Maybe yes, maybe no, but if factual data gets floated we all benefit
from the education.
> and I subscribe to this forum to learn about and read about RVs!
>
Yeah, me too. However, the nuke thread can be dealt with with by the
delete key, as any other thread.
>This is the RV list, not the nuclear power list.
>
I agree, but in addition to the nuclear power list info has been
presented that belongs on the 'alternative engine' list, and
'environmental disaster list' ....... etc. ..... and I don't belong to
those. My primary interest is in aviation ...... and at present I decry
the increasingly high cost of energy ..... that could be offset by nuke
power, thereby allowing me to transfer money from my 'energy account' to
my 'avgas account'.
>Thanks,
>
>John
>
>former USN "Nuke"
>
Ah, so you already know all about the subject of this thread. No wonder
you'd like to see it disappear. Well, it will, sooner or later. Until
then, if you decide not to add knowledge to the thread ..... whap that
delete key.
This isn't meant to flame John, nor encourage off-topic threads, but as
long as it's here, I'll put up with it.
Some suggestions though .... filters do work, and so do 'reply to all'
in an off list discussion.
Linn ..... always looking to be educated ..... 
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>--------
>John Dalman
>Elburn, IL
>RV-8 N247TD
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169777#169777
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>
>
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 07:57:56 AM PST US
From: Bob <panamared5(at)brier.net>
Subject: Re: Registration Display
The Reg says it must be displayed. However, I keep mine in the glove
compartment. When the aircraft was signed off by the FAA, I asked
the inspector this question and did not get a response, more of a
shrug of the shoulders.
But, If an FAA guy is looking for a reason to write up a violation,
then this would be one.
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
At 07:36 AM 3/14/08, you wrote:
>Does my RV-8A need it's FAA registration or other paper work
>displayed in the cockpit or can I keep it in an envelope inside one
>of my panel storage boxes? I do have the EXPERIMENTAL and the
>warning blurb text attached so the passenger can read it from their
>aft seat & it passed FAA inspection.
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 08:13:45 AM PST US
From: Bob <panamared5(at)brier.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Nuclear Energy
At 09:31 AM 3/14/08, you wrote:
>>Hey guys - please take this discussion off-line and off this forum.
>
>PLEASE NOT YET!!! I'm learning a lot here! My knowledge is really
>dated and this data dump is kinda reinforcing my position on nuke power.
I too am learning a lot. Over the last 15 years on this list, I can
not believe some of the things I have learned that are not directly
RV related. I am on other building lists and we may have 2-3
messages a week (all building related)! The other lists are no fun at all.
One of the interesting things about this list is the diversity of
opinion, thought and experience and I for one enjoy the input. Yes,
some of the debate can get tiresome, but where else could you take
some of these issues and get the response that comes from an RV
builder/flyer/fanatic?
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 08:41:59 AM PST US
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: RE: Registration Display
We were ramp checked during a Young Eagles event awhile ago. They wanted to
see it someplace visible in the cockpit. Mine was in my flight bag at the
time on the back seat of my Cherokee. But since I wasn't first to get
checked, I had an opportunity to put it back in the plastic pouch.
Ironically, it's by my left ankle, so there is no practical way anyone else
in the aircraft could see it.
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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Grajek
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:11 AM
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Subject: RE: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/14/08
THIS IS AN RV FORUM. NOT GENERAL DISCUSSION of your OPINIONS!!
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:57:46 -0700
> From: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> To: rv-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/14/08
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