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 Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Accident in Spain |
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Are you refering to this accident?:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/cataluna/muertos/estrellarse/avioneta/vinedo/Subirats/elpepiespcat/20080206elpcat_28/Tes
The news doesn't mention make and model but it is about an 2 place aircraft that apparently lost a wing in flight.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com> wrote:[quote] We had an 601 XL down in Barcelona 2 month ago. Aparently, wing fold.
2008/3/10, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com (iberplanes(at)gmail.com)>:[quote] Si es por un ala, me comienza a preocupar. Voy a investigar y te cuento.
saludos
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From: ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>
Date: 10-mar-2008 12:55
Subject: Re: Accident
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>
Regardless, I'm adding extra ribs, going with the 12 gallon tanks instead of the 15, no wing-locker, and some sort of overridable system that limits control surface/stick travel at and above manuevering speed.
Kevin Bonds wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Sounds more like there may have
> been a problem with the canopy, if I had to guess--which we shouldn't. I
> know an eyewitness stated that a wing /may/ have come off, but I doubt
> many eyewitnesses would know a wing from a rudder or any other part in
> that instance. Hopefully they will recover the plane. The wings could,
> very well, still be intact. Sounds like the canopy will not be since
> they found 3 pieces of it scattered on shore. The plane was supposed to
> have gone-in 700 meters from shore.
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> ashontz wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Thoe extra wings ribs are looking better and better all the time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> [quote][b]
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ernieth(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Accident in Spain |
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using http://babelfish.altavista.com/ to translate. I got this. Not much more information in it, with out reading spainish.
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Two died when crashing a small plane in vi?o of Subirats [url=http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.elpais.com%2fdiario%2fcatalunya%2f] [/url]The neighbors saw c? the apparatus cay?ras to break one of its wings [url=http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.elpais.com%2fdiario%2fcatalunya%2f] [/url] [url=http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.elpais.com%2fdiario%2fcatalunya%2f] [/url]
PERE LOBATO - Sant d'Ordal Pau - 06/02/2008 [url=http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.elpais.com%2fdiario%2fcatalunya%2f] [/url]
[url=http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.elpais.com%2fdiario%2fcatalunya%2f] [/url] [url=http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.elpais.com%2fdiario%2fcatalunya%2f] [/url] [url=http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.elpais.com%2fdiario%2fcatalunya%2f] [/url] It votes
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Two people were killed in Subirats (Alt Pened yesterday, when the small plane that piloted desplom?n a zone agr?la of poblaci? The two v?imas?cos occupants of the two-seater, were experienced pilots and all the indications point at that the accident debi? a failure mec?co.
The news in others webs
The small plane cay? the six of afternoon, to hardly 40 meters of the field of f?ol of Sant d'Ordal Pau, main the urban n?eo of the municipality. At that moment they trained in the field the youngest children of the local equipment. The accident was present at numerous neighbors.
The deceaseds are Jordi Conesa, of 37 a, neighbor of Sant Cugat Sesgarrigues and proprietor of the ill-fated apparatus, and his acompa?te Santi F. To, of 41 a, that d'Esquadra in Vilafranca was mosso. Both were experienced pilots and even Santi ten?el card of private pilot.
The testimony of some neighbors indicates that the breakage of one of the wings, preceded of one explosi? it was the cause of the accident. "If you remain without one of the wings, you remain without direcci, it said Josep Pinyar, manager of aer?omo of Avinyonet of the Pened? where the apparatus was hangarado.
The pilots dispon? to return to aer?omo when seeing that he began to grow dark. The breakage of the wing took place to three kil?tros of its destiny. The accident was r?do. V?imas s? they had time to avoid ca? in the field of f?ol, where one of the children of Jordi played, the neighbors explained. If the t?ico failure had been of another type, possibly habr? been able to stop the motor and to glide until aer?omo. The mayor of Subirats, Antoni Soler, matiz?ue the apparatus to podr?haber had alg?problema with the motor. Aviaci?Civil determinar?as exact causes of the wreck.
The neighbors who were in the zone approached until the place where cay?l apparatus, next to the field of f?ol and to few meters of a house. The firemen arrived 10 minutes despu? Last night, the firemen and the mossos worked a?para to retire the small plane and to locate some of their rest, that fell throughout the?imos meters of their passage after explosi? Some of these rest were in a radius of 300 meters. Brown the Lemuel young person went in bici when oy?na explosi?y when raising the head saw the small plane with a wing broken and giving piruetas before falling.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com (bill_dom(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]
Are you refering to this accident?:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/cataluna/muertos/estrellarse/avioneta/vinedo/Subirats/elpepiespcat/20080206elpcat_28/Tes
The news doesn't mention make and model but it is about an 2 place aircraft that apparently lost a wing in flight.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com (iberplanes(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | We had an 601 XL down in Barcelona 2 month ago. Aparently, wing fold.
2008/3/10, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com (iberplanes(at)gmail.com)>: | Quote: | Si es por un ala, me comienza a preocupar. Voy a investigar y te cuento.
saludos
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>
Date: 10-mar-2008 12:55
Subject: Re: Accident
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>
Regardless, I'm adding extra ribs, going with the 12 gallon tanks instead of the 15, no wing-locker, and some sort of overridable system that limits control surface/stick travel at and above manuevering speed.
Kevin Bonds wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Sounds more like there may have
> been a problem with the canopy, if I had to guess--which we shouldn't. I
> know an eyewitness stated that a wing /may/ have come off, but I doubt
> many eyewitnesses would know a wing from a rudder or any other part in
> that instance. Hopefully they will recover the plane. The wings could,
> very well, still be intact. Sounds like the canopy will not be since
> they found 3 pieces of it scattered on shore. The plane was supposed to
> have gone-in 700 meters from shore.
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> ashontz wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Thoe extra wings ribs are looking better and better all the time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: Accident in Spain |
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Hello William,
A least in a yahoo group from Spain, where they were members, in message 22607 from Feb 08/2008 they post that it was a 601 XL, Is in the only post (in lots of condolences and questions) that they mention about the possible airplane, but nothing else.
Hope our friend "Iberplanes" can do a more certain follow up.
I found the post doing a google search of "Jordi Conesa" the owner´s name (God Bless Him and his family).
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]
Are you refering to this accident?:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/cataluna/muertos/estrellarse/avioneta/vinedo/Subirats/elpepiespcat/20080206elpcat_28/Tes
The news doesn't mention make and model but it is about an 2 place aircraft that apparently lost a wing in flight.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com> wrote: [quote]We had an 601 XL down in Barcelona 2 month ago. Aparently, wing fold.
2008/3/10, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com (iberplanes(at)gmail.com)>: [quote]Si es por un ala, me comienza a preocupar. Voy a investigar y te cuento.
saludos
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>
Date: 10-mar-2008 12:55
Subject: Re: Accident
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>
Regardless, I'm adding extra ribs, going with the 12 gallon tanks instead of the 15, no wing-locker, and some sort of overridable system that limits control surface/stick travel at and above manuevering speed.
Kevin Bonds wrote:
[quote] Andy,
Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Sounds more like there may have
been a problem with the canopy, if I had to guess--which we shouldn't. I
know an eyewitness stated that a wing /may/ have come off, but I doubt
many eyewitnesses would know a wing from a rudder or any other part in
that instance. Hopefully they will recover the plane. The wings could,
very well, still be intact. Sounds like the canopy will not be since
they found 3 pieces of it scattered on shore. The plane was supposed to
have gone-in 700 meters from shore.
Kevin Bonds
ashontz wrote:
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Thoe extra wings ribs are looking better and better all the time.
>
>
>
>
>
[quote][b] [quote][b]
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: Accident in Spain |
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I didn't find much information in this news and I'm fluent in Spanish, the only relevant info is that there is a 2 seater that broke a wing in mid air after an explosion. I have found that other news sources that covered this accident are talking about an engine failure as the cause.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
<ernieth(at)gmail.com> wrote:[quote] using http://babelfish.altavista.com/ to translate. I got this. Not much more information in it, with out reading spainish.
do not archive
Two died when crashing a small plane in vi?o of Subirats The neighbors saw c? the apparatus cay?ras to break one of its wings PERE LOBATO - Sant d'Ordal Pau - 06/02/2008
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Two people were killed in Subirats (Alt Pened yesterday, when the small plane that piloted desplom?n a zone agr?la of poblaci? The two v?imas?cos occupants of the two-seater, were experienced pilots and all the indications point at that the accident debi? a failure mec?co.
The news in others webs
The small plane cay? the six of afternoon, to hardly 40 meters of the field of f?ol of Sant d'Ordal Pau, main the urban n?eo of the municipality. At that moment they trained in the field the youngest children of the local equipment. The accident was present at numerous neighbors.
The deceaseds are Jordi Conesa, of 37 a, neighbor of Sant Cugat Sesgarrigues and proprietor of the ill-fated apparatus, and his acompa?te Santi F. To, of 41 a, that d'Esquadra in Vilafranca was mosso. Both were experienced pilots and even Santi ten?el card of private pilot.
The testimony of some neighbors indicates that the breakage of one of the wings, preceded of one explosi? it was the cause of the accident. "If you remain without one of the wings, you remain without direcci, it said Josep Pinyar, manager of aer?omo of Avinyonet of the Pened? where the apparatus was hangarado.
The pilots dispon? to return to aer?omo when seeing that he began to grow dark. The breakage of the wing took place to three kil?tros of its destiny. The accident was r?do. V?imas s? they had time to avoid ca? in the field of f?ol, where one of the children of Jordi played, the neighbors explained. If the t?ico failure had been of another type, possibly habr? been able to stop the motor and to glide until aer?omo. The mayor of Subirats, Antoni Soler, matiz?ue the apparatus to podr?haber had alg?problema with the motor. Aviaci?Civil determinar?as exact causes of the wreck.
The neighbors who were in the zone approached until the place where cay?l apparatus, next to the field of f?ol and to few meters of a house. The firemen arrived 10 minutes despu? Last night, the firemen and the mossos worked a?para to retire the small plane and to locate some of their rest, that fell throughout the?imos meters of their passage after explosi? Some of these rest were in a radius of 300 meters. Brown the Lemuel young person went in bici when oy?na explosi?y when raising the head saw the small plane with a wing broken and giving piruetas before falling.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com (bill_dom(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]
Are you refering to this accident?:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/cataluna/muertos/estrellarse/avioneta/vinedo/Subirats/elpepiespcat/20080206elpcat_28/Tes
The news doesn't mention make and model but it is about an 2 place aircraft that apparently lost a wing in flight.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com (iberplanes(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | We had an 601 XL down in Barcelona 2 month ago. Aparently, wing fold.
2008/3/10, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com (iberplanes(at)gmail.com)>: | Quote: | Si es por un ala, me comienza a preocupar. Voy a investigar y te cuento.
saludos
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>
Date: 10-mar-2008 12:55
Subject: Re: Accident
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>
Regardless, I'm adding extra ribs, going with the 12 gallon tanks instead of the 15, no wing-locker, and some sort of overridable system that limits control surface/stick travel at and above manuevering speed.
Kevin Bonds wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Sounds more like there may have
> been a problem with the canopy, if I had to guess--which we shouldn't. I
> know an eyewitness stated that a wing /may/ have come off, but I doubt
> many eyewitnesses would know a wing from a rudder or any other part in
> that instance. Hopefully they will recover the plane. The wings could,
> very well, still be intact. Sounds like the canopy will not be since
> they found 3 pieces of it scattered on shore. The plane was supposed to
> have gone-in 700 meters from shore.
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> ashontz wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Thoe extra wings ribs are looking better and better all the time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Right, thats the plane and people I´m talking about.
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