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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: 601 incident

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andrewack(at)clara.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: 601 incident

At last, the voice of reason.  The XL problem does not trouble me as I am

building an HD, but it is a pain in the ass to see all the responses to an

"accident" when no one has the full facts.  



Speculation only stirs up the water, when no one has the full facts.  If the

XL has such a major design fault there would have been a response or an

urgent AD from Zenith.  



Fly it within limits, and avoid the hovering pelicans (or should it be

vultures) and you should be OK.



Andy Ackland in the UK

20% done with 150% to go.



DO NOT ARCHIVE



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barcusc(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: 601 incident

Mark,



 	  Quote: 	
		  From my perspective, that is all I really wanted! If you look back you will 

not see any anger or any disrespect aimed at Zenith by me, I was simply of 
	


the opinion they had completed their test and that was it. They have great 

customer service, everyone I have spoken to has demonstrated the same 

customer oriented attitude and I think the 601 XL is just the type of plane 

I want. Providing, of course, one is able to make a necessary evasive 

maneuver or through some unexpected turbulence while reducing speed without 

ripping the wings off. You stated they are concerned and looking for 

answers, if they are why wouldn't I be? The post by Rick and now you gives 

me a measure of comfort. If I would have known they were still "active" 

beyond the sandbag test I would have simply sat back and waited, which is 

exactly what I am going to do now.



Regards:



Clyde Barcus

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swater6

Joined: 16 Dec 2006
Posts: 52
Location: Minnesota-KMIC/KANE

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: 601 incident

Mark,

Your post is now blank.  Did you remove it?  I sure would like to hear your input.

Scott

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601 XL kit N596SW reserved
Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage

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jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 394
Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: 601 incident

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 07:35:57PM -0500, ZodieRocket wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   On a parting note, I have watched 601's doing aerobatics and all sorts

 of stunts on youtube. IF your not trained to do these maneuvers in the

 load restrictions of the aircraft then please don't. Fly your 601XL in

 it's design criteria and enjoy it. 


	


Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not buying my XLi to do

aerobatics or other fancy flying in. I'm looking for a good, LSA-legal

cross-country cruiser, and I think the Zodiac more than qualifies.



 	  Quote: 	
		   I wish to ask you folks to rationalize your response, don't stop asking

 questions, discuss the issues and be civil. An official response is

 forthcoming. But to discuss design changes to the plane without the

 facts or knowledge is a waste of everyone's time. 


	


Well, I'm not able to make design changes, unless I can talk AMD into it -

something I really, really doubt. I just don't want to discover Vfo

firsthand.



(Vfo: the speed at which the wings fall off)



 	  Quote: 	
		   I hope to be able to post the letter before the middle of next week. 


	


I await the message with bated breath.

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Jay Maynard, K5ZC                   http://www.conmicro.com

http://jmaynard.livejournal.com      http://www.tronguy.net

Fairmont, MN (FRM)                        (Yes, that's me!)

AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (getting ready to order)

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AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC

Iberplanes

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Posts: 174
Location: Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: 601 incident

Well, as I expected. The accident in Barcelona Spain was and will not be taken into account. I have the impression, to be polite,  that America only cares for themselves, sorry, themselves and their friends-cousins, UK, Canada, Australia...

 

Spain, where is it? Never heard of it......oh... is the 8th world largest economy.....has a great industry, for example 1/3 of the A380 parts, Eurofighter, EADS, etc, a languaje spoken by 600 Milllon  people...had a great world empire,  has a great nation culture, and the list may go on for centuries...............

 



..... The other day one on the list asked me why I did not post the accident when it happened, I was about to answer, but I prefered  to say nothing. On a private reply,  I told him that I had the impression that my post were totally ignored. Well. now I have confirmed that fact.

 

If the Aussie crash was bird-related, the problem is solved, no worries for the factory, but the spanish accident still stands, and it  was totally different. as far as i know it was not vne related, they were rumors, not engine failue as said on the news, it was a wing fold. Still waiting the DGAC report.  

 

Thanks anyway and enjoy your XL. 



PS: If you think my post is to direct, and unpolite, just think how do I feel when nobody says a word or comments on my posts......what would you think?

[quote] 

 

 [b]

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Alberto Martin
601 XL - Jabiru 3300
http://www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

agibeaut

Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 64

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: 601 incident

Thanks for the perspective. I'm sure that the cause of the Barcelona accident is just as important to all the 601 builders as the Aussie accident was. Please pass on any additional info as it becomes available. As far as the board ignoring your posts, it has nothing to do with country of origin. They ignore me too, and I'm right smack dab in the middle of the US. These guys are good people passing on much needed help and information, and I don't think anyone means to snub anyone. We're all a bunch of "gear heads" with our minds focused on the airplane and sometimes we forget our manners. Though I don't often post here, I have come to rely on these guy's insights and experiences, as I make my way through my 701. I admire people that are willing to openly admit and share their mistakes so that I don't make the same mistake. Looking forward to hearing from you.    

--- On Thu, 3/13/08, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com>

 Subject: Re: 601 incident

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Thursday, March 13, 2008, 3:32 AM

 Well, as I expected. The accident in Barcelona Spain was and

 will not be

 taken into account. I have the impression, to be polite, 

 that America only

 cares for themselves, sorry, themselves and their

 friends-cousins, UK,

 Canada, Australia...

 Spain, where is it? Never heard of it......oh... is the 8th

 world largest

 economy.....has a great industry, for example 1/3 of the

 A380 parts,

 Eurofighter, EADS, etc, a languaje spoken by 600 Milllon 

 people...had a

 great world empire,  has a great nation culture, and the

 list may go on for

 centuries...............

 ..... The other day one on the list asked me why I did not

 post the accident

 when it happened, I was about to answer, but I prefered  to

 say nothing. On

 a private reply,  I told him that I had the impression that

 my post were

 totally ignored. Well. now I have confirmed that fact.

 If the Aussie crash was bird-related, the problem is

 solved, no worries for

 the factory, but the spanish accident still stands, and it 

 was totally

 different. as far as i know it was not vne related, they

 were rumors, not

 engine failue as said on the news, it was a wing fold.

 Still waiting the

 DGAC report.

 Thanks anyway and enjoy your XL.

 PS: If you think my post is to direct, and unpolite, just

 think how do I

 feel when nobody says a word or comments on my

 posts......what would you

 think?

 >

 >

 >

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ernieth(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: 601 incident

Please keep us up to date when you get information.

I for one am interested, I cant speak for anyone else.

Right now we have a newspaper article to go by. This information is not enough to make anything but

random speculation. Most of the time important details are not in the print article.

 Do not archive.

e.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com (iberplanes(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] Well, as I expected. The accident in Barcelona Spain was and will not be taken into account. I have the impression, to be polite,  that America only cares for themselves, sorry, themselves and their friends-cousins, UK, Canada, Australia...

  

Spain, where is it? Never heard of it......oh... is the 8th world largest economy.....has a great industry, for example 1/3 of the A380 parts, Eurofighter, EADS, etc, a languaje spoken by 600 Milllon  people...had a great world empire,  has a great nation culture, and the list may go on for centuries...............

  



..... The other day one on the list asked me why I did not post the accident when it happened, I was about to answer, but I prefered  to say nothing. On a private reply,  I told him that I had the impression that my post were totally ignored. Well. now I have confirmed that fact.

  

If the Aussie crash was bird-related, the problem is solved, no worries for the factory, but the spanish accident still stands, and it  was totally different. as far as i know it was not vne related, they were rumors, not engine failue as said on the news, it was a wing fold. Still waiting the DGAC report.  

  

Thanks anyway and enjoy your XL. 



PS: If you think my post is to direct, and unpolite, just think how do I feel when nobody says a word or comments on my posts......what would you think?

 

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dfmoeller

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 60
Location: Austin, TX

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: Re: 601 incident

I was actually more interested in the Spanish incident than the Australian.  If the Australian, in fact, eventually is attributed to bird strike, thats kind of a non-issue.  The Spanish event seems less dismissable.



Doug

bill_dom(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: 601 incident

Your post have not been ignore, at least not by me and many others. On the contrary, notice that after your first post about this incident, this topic have slowly exploded with postings. I even searched in Yahoo Spain and posted some of my findings and even translated one news.



Having say that, every now and them we all have postings that are ignored, specially when they are comments and not specific question. Don't get discourage and keep posting, me and many others will be waiting for news about the Barcelona incident.



In another note, my wife is Spanish and I have been in Spain multiple times. I would like to retire there but I'm still far from retirement age. I would like to see your plane next time I visit, hopefully next year. Likewise, if you see yourself in Miami any time, send me an email in advance and I'll show you my project and give you a tour of the city.



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami  Florida

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom



Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com> wrote:[quote] Well, as I expected. The accident in Barcelona Spain was and will not be taken into account. I have the impression, to be polite,  that America only cares for themselves, sorry, themselves and their friends-cousins, UK, Canada, Australia...

 

Spain, where is it? Never heard of it......oh... is the 8th world largest economy.....has a great industry, for example 1/3 of the A380 parts, Eurofighter, EADS, etc, a languaje spoken by 600 Milllon  people...had a great world empire,  has a great nation culture, and the list may go on for centuries...............

 



..... The other day one on the list asked me why I did not post the accident when it happened, I was about to answer, but I prefered  to say nothing. On a  private reply,  I told him that I had the impression that my post were totally ignored. Well. now I have confirmed that fact.

 

If the Aussie crash was bird-related, the problem is solved, no worries for the factory, but the spanish accident still stands, and it  was totally different. as far as i know it was not vne related, they were rumors, not engine failue as said on the news, it was a wing fold. Still waiting the DGAC report.  

 

Thanks anyway and enjoy your XL. 



PS: If you think my post is to direct, and unpolite, just think how do I feel when nobody says a word or comments on my posts......what would you think?

[quote] 

 

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Flydog1966(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: 601 incident

In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:39:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  iberplanes(at)gmail.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I have    the impression, to be polite,  that America only cares for themselves,    sorry, themselves and their friends-cousins, UK, Canada,    Australia...



Spain, where is it? Never heard of it......oh... is the    8th world largest economy.....has a great industry, for example 1/3 of the    A380 parts, Eurofighter, EADS, etc, a languaje spoken by 600 Milllon     people...had a great world empire,  has a great nation culture, and the    list may go on for centuries...............

	


 

    Well I guess we should have acknowledged this guy in South  America before his feelings got hurt : )

do not  archive



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n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: Re: 601 incident

Well, just so you don't get your feelings hurt I'll reply to your post. 



This kind of junk makes me wonder why I even bother reading

these lists. The amount of usefull technical stuff isn't much, and the

drivel seems to be a lot.



Jeff



 	  Quote: 	
		   Well I guess we should have acknowledged this guy in South America before his feelings got hurt : )

Iberplanes

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Posts: 174
Location: Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: 601 incident

Flydog, 

  

 Nice culture you have, and just for your knowledge I´m   doing a favor to you, go to school or buy a map. Spain is at EUROPE,  

  

  

  

 Alberto Martin

Iberplanes IGL 

http://www.iberplanes.es

Igualada -  Barcelona - España



  

  

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601 XL - Jabiru 3300
http://www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Re: 601 incident

Hey Iberplanes,



Don't blame the entire culture, we're not all like that.



I've got two nice guitars right here that were made in Madrid, so at 

least one of us has an appreciation for Spain.



Regards,

Jeff

Iberplanes

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Posts: 174
Location: Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: 601 incident

yeah I know, no worries.



Is a common mistake to place Spain in South America, for our language and 

because they were colonies, but think it is like UK and USA.



I have an entire family branch there, they were born in Waterbury CT after 

WWII and some of them thought the same.

Alberto Martin

Iberplanes IGL

http://www.iberplanes.es

Igualada - Barcelona - España



do not archive.



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Alberto Martin
601 XL - Jabiru 3300
http://www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

Jaybannist(at)cs.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: 601 incident

Alberto,



Besides being somewhat arrogant, you obviously have no sense of humor.  I know, I know, humor does not translate easily, but that was what he intended, believe me, amigo.



Hang in there,

Jay in Dallas



do not archive

"Iberplanes IGL" <iberplanes(at)gmail.com> wrote:



[quote]Flydog,



Nice culture you have, and just for your knowledge I´m  doing a favor to you, go to school or buy a map. Spain is at EUROPE,



Alberto Martin

Iberplanes IGL

http://www.iberplanes.es

Igualada - Barcelona - España



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darrellhaas(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: 601 incident

Yes, please don't blame all od us. I've been to Spain. Nice place,

nice people and do you have a recipe for paella?

Darrell

do not archive



On 3/13/08, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]



 Flydog,



 Nice culture you have, and just for your knowledge I´m  doing a favor to

 you, go to school or buy a map. Spain is at EUROPE,



 Alberto Martin

 Iberplanes IGL

 http://www.iberplanes.es

 Igualada - Barcelona - España





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randy(at)rjhebertassoc.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: 601 incident

Thanks Alberto I was going to send him one  also

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 Randall J  Hebert

  

 Randall J Hebert  & Associates, Inc

 Consulting Civil / Structural  Engineers

 Lafayette, Louisiana

 PH  337-261-1976      -      FX 337-261-1977

  



   From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Iberplanes  IGL

Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:22 PM

To:  zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 601  incident

 

 Flydog, 

  

 Nice culture you have, and just for your knowledge I´m   doing a favor to you, go to school or buy a map. Spain is at EUROPE,  

  

  

  

 Alberto Martin

Iberplanes IGL 

http://www.iberplanes.es

Igualada -  Barcelona - España



  

  

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hansriet

Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: Re: 601 incident

I would also appreciate a great paella recipe.



do not archive

bill_dom(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: 601 incident

Flydog is teasing you, don't take his comment too seriously or personal. If you look at the archives your going to see lot of heated arguments, cynicism and outright rudeness among the people of this list, regardless of participant's country of origin. 



  I think I understand where your frustration is comming from, I spend some time reading post in the the Spanish group list aviador and I was very impressed with the level of civilism shown there. If you are acostumed to that list, this one will look like a bunch of barbarians in comparison. Well I guess every now and them there's should be one rough interchanges there also but I didn't came across with one.



Don't get discouraged and keep participating. There is lots of good info in this list, you just need to grow a thicker skin.

William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami Florida

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom



Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com>  wrote:[quote]       Flydog, 

  

 Nice culture you have, and just for your knowledge I´m   doing a favor to you, go to school or buy a map. Spain is at EUROPE,  

  

  

  

 Alberto Martin

Iberplanes IGL 

http://www.iberplanes.es

Igualada -  Barcelona - España



  

  

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