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Bill Schlatterer
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 Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer |
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I have a problem with the Spinner gap caused by using the Vans 2.25 spacer recommendation instead of waiting on the prop. First let me say that I think the spacer method would have worked fine BUT it should have been 2 1/16 instead of 2 1/4. I am fitting a Hartzell BA to an O-360 AIA and it just doesn't work. I used the 1/4 inch metal spacer and one washer under the spinner plate per plans.
The first picture shows the spinner spacer which was three pieces of good plywood cut accordingly with a couple of nickels for additional space. That gave me a 2.230" spacer. I fitted the cowl which was a little tight at the top and a little wide at the bottom. The faces of the top and bottom cowl are not actually parallel. My plan was to build up the inside back of the top cowl face and the outside of the bottom face and then shave it parallel with the spinner plate to make a perfect 1/4. In the second picture with no prop and spacer, the clearance at the top is a little under 1/4 and maybe 3/8 at the bottom.
Third picture. Now comes the prop and with nothing different,….the gap closed to 0 at the top and 1/4 at the bottom. No doubt about it, the spacer was simply too long. It should have been no more that 2 1/8 to 2 1/16 to leave a little fill room. 2.00 might be perfect if you plan to true up the face later. It the spacer is too long, it causes you to fit the cowl further out from the firewall than it should be.
Here is where I would ask for an opinion on my fix.
I don't want to recut the hinges and try to move it around so I am thinking that I will build up the top cowl face from the inside with epoxy and long hair flox about 3/8 of an inch and then simply sand off/back 1/4 inch off the top half of the cowl and square it up with the spinner plate. In the third picture, you can see marks that would be a 1/4 inch gap. (effectively just sand back to those lines)
The bottom is about right now but needs to be trued up a bit with some build on the outside and then the whole cowl face fitted parallel to the spinner. This doesn't seem like nearly as much work as cutting the whole face off, trimming, and then glassing back. Other than taking a little patience, I can't see any reason why it won’t work. I don't have a lot of glass experience yet but I think the epoxy / long hair / layer of glass on the inside should be as strong as the original when it's sanded back a 1/4. The last picture shows how much needs to come off on the top. ( 1/4 inch paint paddle)
Comments please.
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Bill Schlatterer
7a ARK
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andrew.phillips(at)sympat
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer |
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The exact same thing happened to me. On van's recommendation I did exactly what you are planning to do. I filled the back side of the cowl nose the sanded it. What a pain!
Andrew Phillips
On 11-Mar-08, at 10:41 PM, Bill Schlatterer wrote:
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I have a problem with the Spinner gap caused by using the Vans 2.25 spacer recommendation instead of waiting on the prop. First let me say that I think the spacer method would have worked fine BUT it should have been 2 1/16 instead of 2 1/4. I am fitting a Hartzell BA to an O-360 AIA and it just doesn't work. I used the 1/4 inch metal spacer and one washer under the spinner plate per plans.
The first picture shows the spinner spacer which was three pieces of good plywood cut accordingly with a couple of nickels for additional space. That gave me a 2.230" spacer. I fitted the cowl which was a little tight at the top and a little wide at the bottom. The faces of the top and bottom cowl are not actually parallel. My plan was to build up the inside back of the top cowl face and the outside of the bottom face and then shave it parallel with the spinner plate to make a perfect 1/4. In the second picture with no prop and spacer, the clearance at the top is a little under 1/4 and maybe 3/8 at the bottom.
Third picture. Now comes the prop and with nothing different,….the gap closed to 0 at the top and 1/4 at the bottom. No doubt about it, the spacer was simply too long. It should have been no more that 2 1/8 to 2 1/16 to leave a little fill room. 2.00 might be perfect if you plan to true up the face later. It the spacer is too long, it causes you to fit the cowl further out from the firewall than it should be.
Here is where I would ask for an opinion on my fix.
I don't want to recut the hinges and try to move it around so I am thinking that I will build up the top cowl face from the inside with epoxy and long hair flox about 3/8 of an inch and then simply sand off/back 1/4 inch off the top half of the cowl and square it up with the spinner plate. In the third picture, you can see marks that would be a 1/4 inch gap. (effectively just sand back to those lines)
The bottom is about right now but needs to be trued up a bit with some build on the outside and then the whole cowl face fitted parallel to the spinner. This doesn't seem like nearly as much work as cutting the whole face off, trimming, and then glassing back. Other than taking a little patience, I can't see any reason why it won’t work. I don't have a lot of glass experience yet but I think the epoxy / long hair / layer of glass on the inside should be as strong as the original when it's sanded back a 1/4. The last picture shows how much needs to come off on the top. ( 1/4 inch paint paddle)
Comments please.
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Thanks for any help?
Bill Schlatterer
7a ARK
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rikvincent(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer |
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How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall.
Rick RV 6
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer |
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As mentioned in my last reply, I did the fiberglass work on the basis of Van's recommendation. I also did the shim trick. I added 1 washer under each mount so that gave me 1/16" or so then I had less to remove from the cowl. Van's cautioned me from doing to much spacing at the motor mount.Andrew
On 12-Mar-08, at 10:44 AM, rikvincent(at)aol.com (rikvincent(at)aol.com) wrote:
[quote]How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall.
Rick RV 6
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Bill Schlatterer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer |
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I should have checked the list before I started but the instructions were so clear, it just never occurred to me that they would be that far off. Either way, it looks like I have some "fitting" work to do. The shim at the firewall Rick mentioned would be a help and probably no significant impact on the CG. Did you use layers of glass or epoxy flox combination? Someone mentioned that the epoxy/flox was a lot harder to work.
Thanks Bill S
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Phillips
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Subject: Re: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer
As mentioned in my last reply, I did the fiberglass work on the basis of Van's recommendation. I also did the shim trick. I added 1 washer under each mount so that gave me 1/16" or so then I had less to remove from the cowl. Van's cautioned me from doing to much spacing at the motor mount. Andrew
On 12-Mar-08, at 10:44 AM, rikvincent(at)aol.com (rikvincent(at)aol.com) wrote:
[quote]How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall.
Rick RV 6
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andrew.phillips(at)sympat
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer |
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I used epoxy/fox. I stood the cowl on end and made the mix just a bit soupy then poured it it. I just smoothed out the top when done. No glass was used and it worked fine.
Andrew
On 12-Mar-08, at 8:54 PM, Bill Schlatterer wrote:
[quote] I should have checked the list before I started but the instructions were so clear, it just never occurred to me that they would be that far off. Either way, it looks like I have some "fitting" work to do. The shim at the firewall Rick mentioned would be a help and probably no significant impact on the CG. Did you use layers of glass or epoxy flox combination? Someone mentioned that the epoxy/flox was a lot harder to work.
Thanks Bill S
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Andrew Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:24 AM
To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com (rv7-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer
As mentioned in my last reply, I did the fiberglass work on the basis of Van's recommendation. I also did the shim trick. I added 1 washer under each mount so that gave me 1/16" or so then I had less to remove from the cowl. Van's cautioned me from doing to much spacing at the motor mount. Andrew
On 12-Mar-08, at 10:44 AM, rikvincent(at)aol.com (rikvincent(at)aol.com) wrote:
[quote]How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall.
Rick RV 6
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hooverra(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer |
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I slit the lower cowl (Just behind the spinner) , shimmed it out to get
an even gap and then glassed it back together. Some fill was required to
get it flat but not too much. I'm glad I'm not building one of those
plastic planes. I like the slick look but glass work is a PITA in MHO YMMV.
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hooverra at verizon dot net
Andrew Phillips wrote:
[quote] As mentioned in my last reply, I did the fiberglass work on the basis
of Van's recommendation. I also did the shim trick. I added 1 washer
under each mount so that gave me 1/16" or so then I had less to remove
from the cowl. Van's cautioned me from doing to much spacing at the
motor mount.
Andrew
On 12-Mar-08, at 10:44 AM, rikvincent(at)aol.com
<mailto:rikvincent(at)aol.com> wrote:
> How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall.
> Rick RV 6
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