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panamared3(at)brier.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: Confidence in Van's Designs, Previous subject: I have nev

 	  Quote: 	
		  I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEING SO MANY POSTINGS AS THE ONE

FOR THE S.B. TANKS..

WHO CARES... ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING , AND HOWLING .. DON'T DO IT.

NO ONE IS FORCING ANY ONE TO DO IT..

I DID MINE, THIS PAST WEEK END.    I HAVE HAD TO REMOVE ONE TANK BEFORE

DUE TO A  FUEL LEAK... NO BIG DEAL..


	


WARNING:  If you don't want to get pissed off, please delete NOW!!!



I will tell you what the big deal is!  This is a mandatory SB and I for one 

feel that I should complete it before my next flight.  Despite the SB 

instructions this task will take me at least 20-30 hours of work.  At this 

time I do not have the time available to do this until sometime in 

April.  Which means I will not be flying until it is done in April.  That 

might not be a big deal for you, but it is for me.



I have read the instructions and for my RV they are flat out WRONG!!!  No 

way I can follow Vans instructions.  One point is that on the inverted tank 

the access plate is on the rear tank bulkhead.  So this tank must come off 

the airplane.  My inverted fuel tank was built in accordance with the Vans 

plans and construction manual.  Once again wrong instructions might not be 

a big deal for you, but it is for me.



But what the real BIG DEAL is that some of us have lost confidence 

in  Van's construction designs. Before, I felt that if Van designed it that 

way, that was the the best way to build it.  But now I feel like I have to 

question everything in my aircraft.



So what else have I built according to the plans that may now be 

wrong?  FYI wing tanks have been on RVs for around 30 years, this is not a 

new untried design or technique.



This is a significant emotional event for me, in other words, this is a BIG 

DEAL!



I realize that other airplanes have these SBs and ADs.  So that makes it 

all right?



As for Lycoming crankshafts, it does not affect my engine, but this really 

upsets me also.  If I bought my Lycoming from  Wall Mart I would expect 

these types of problems, but at the price I paid for my engine I expect a 

little bit better quality control.  But on the other hand, as bad as 

Lycoming quality control is, we just keep on buying them.  We are our own 

worst enemy.

Bob

RV6 NightFighter

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jpl(at)showpage.org
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: Confidence in Van's Designs, Previous subject: I have nev

Maybe the fact that everyone in the industry, from time to time,  

needs to modify their design in this fashion should tell you something.



It's a complex problem, and no one, no matter how skilled, is able to  

envision absolutely everything that can go wrong.



For weight and complexity reasons, a designer is going to keep his  

design as simple as possible to safely fulfill the aircraft mission.   

You add complexity only for good reason.  Which means there are a lot  

of judgement calls to make.  And clearly, this particular call is 98%  

right.  The number of problems in this area have been small, but not  

zero.



I guess I don't know what you expect.  Perfection?  It doesn't exist.



-Joe



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On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Bob have never seeing so many sb wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   But what the real BIG DEAL is that some of us have lost confidence

 in  Van's construction designs. Before, I felt that if Van designed  

 it that

 way, that was the the best way to build it.  But now I feel like I  

 have to

 question everything in my aircraft.



 ....


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I realize that other airplanes have these SBs and ADs.  So that  

 makes it

 all right?

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jsflyrv

Joined: 03 Jan 2006
Posts: 22

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: Confidence in Van's Designs, Previous subject: I have nev

If I was you I would junk that piece of S**t rght now. I am sure that the design is so bad that it will fall apart the next time you get in it. NO WAY AM I EVER GOING TO FLY MINE AGAIN. You have made me aware that the thing is junk

and Van's does not have a clue what they are doing. I sure wish that I had known this 17 years ago when I built mine. I would not have flown it all these years if you had told me they did not know how to design the most popular homebuilt in the world..



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-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Bob <panamared3(at)brier.net> have never seeing so many sb 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 many sb 

 

 

 >I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEING SO MANY POSTINGS AS THE ONE 

 >FOR THE S.B. TANKS.. 

 >WHO CARES... ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING , AND HOWLING .. DON'T DO IT. 

 >NO ONE IS FORCING ANY ONE TO DO IT.. 

 >I DID MINE, THIS PAST WEEK END. I HAVE HAD TO REMOVE ONE TANK BEFORE 

 >DUE TO A FUEL LEAK... NO BIG DEAL.. 

 

 WARNING: If you don't want to get pissed off, please delete NOW!!! 

 

 I will tell you what the big deal is! This is a mandatory SB and I for one 

 feel that I should complete it before my next flight. Despite the SB 

 instructions this task will take me at least 20-30 hours of work. At this 

 time I do not have the time available to do this until sometime in 

 April. Which means I will not be flying until it is done in April. That 

 might not be a big deal for you, but it is for me. 

 

 I have read the instructions and for my RV they are flat out WRONG!!! No 

 way I can follow Vans instructions. One point is that on the inverted tank 

 the access plate is on the rear tank bulkhead. So this tank must come off 

 the airplane. My inverted fuel tank was built in accordance with the Vans 

 plans and construction manual. Once again wrong instructions might not be 

 a big deal for you, but it is for me. 

 

 But what the real BIG DEAL is that some of us have lost confidence 

 in Van's construction designs. Before, I felt that if Van designed it that 

 way, that was the the best way to build it. But now I feel like I have to 

 question everything in my aircraft. 

 

 So what else have I built according to the plans that may now be 

 wrong? FYI wing tanks have been on RVs for around 30 years, this is not a 

 new untried design or technique. 

 

 This is a significant emotional event for me, in other words, this is a BIG 

 DEAL! 

 

 I realize that other airplanes have these SBs and ADs. So that makes it 

 all right? 

 

 As for Lycoming crankshafts, it does not affect my engine, but this really 

 upsets me also. If I bought my Lycoming from Wall Mart I would expect 

 these types of problems, but at the price I paid for my engine I expect a 

 little bit better quality control. But on the other hand, as bad as 

 Lycoming quality control is, we just keep on buying them. We are our own 

 worst enemy. 

 

 

 Bob 

 RV6 NightFighter 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


	


If I was you I would junk that piece of S**t rght now. I am sure that the design is so bad that it will fall apart the next time you get in it. NO WAY AM I EVER GOING TO FLY MINE AGAIN. You have made me aware that the thing is junk

and Van's does not have a clue what they are doing. I sure wish that I had known this 17 years ago when I built mine. I would not have flown it all these years if you had told me they did not know how to design the most popular homebuilt in the world..



do not archive



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Bob panamared3(at)brier.net have never seeing so many sb 



 -- RV-List message posted by: Bob <PANAMARED3(at)BRIER.NET>have never seeing so 

 many sb 

 

 

 I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEING SO MANY POSTINGS AS THE ONE 

 FOR THE S.B. TANKS.. 

 WHO CARES... ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING , AND HOWLING .. DON'T DO IT. 

 NO ONE IS FORCING ANY ONE TO DO IT.. 

 I DID MINE, THIS PAST WEEK END. I HAVE HAD TO REMOVE ONE TANK BEFORE 

 DUE TO A FUEL LEAK... NO BIG DEAL.. 

 

 WARNING: If you don't want to get pissed off, please delete NOW!!! 

 

 I will tell you what the big deal is! This is a mandatory SB and I for one 

 feel that I should complete it before my next flight. Despite the SB 

 inst

 ructions this task will take me at least 20-30 hours of work. At this 

 time I do not have the time available to do this until sometime in 

 April. Which means I will not be flying until it is done in April. That 

 might not be a big deal for you, but it is for me. 

 

 I have read the instructions and for my RV they are flat out WRONG!!! No 

 way I can follow Vans instructions. One point is that on the inverted tank 

 the access plate is on the rear tank bulkhead. So this tank must come off 

 the airplane. My inverted fuel tank was built in accordance with the Vans 

 plans and construction manual. Once again wrong instructions might not be 

 a big deal for you, but it is for me. 

 

 But what the real BIG DEAL is that some of us have lost confidence 

 in Van's construction designs. Before, I felt that if Van designed it that 

 way, that was the the best way to build it. But now I

  feel like I have to 

 question everything in my aircraft. 

 

 So what else have I built according to the plans that may now be 

 wrong? FYI wing tanks have been on RVs for around 30 years, this is not a 

 new untried design or technique. 

 

 This is a significant emotional event for me, in other words, this is a BIG 

 DEAL! 

 

 I realize that other airplanes have these SBs and ADs. So that makes it 

 all right? 

 

 As for Lycoming crankshafts, it does not affect my engine, but this really 

 upsets me also. If I bought my Lycoming from Wall Mart I would expect 

 these types of problems, but at the price I paid for my engine I expect a 

 little bit better quality control. But on the other hand, as bad as 

 Lycoming quality control is, we just keep on buying them. We are our own 

 worst enemy. 

 

 

 Bob 

 RV6 NightFighter <BR

 >

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