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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: Andair/FI Fitting

Does anyone have an Andair valve and has installed the fuel system which Van's sells. I am trying to figure out why I need to install this special AN fitting in the system. Where does it go and why is it needed?

  

 Seems like the exit port on the fuel system setup which is normally plugged back into the standard Van's fuel selector valve could simple be put right into the Andair valve return port.  What am I missing?

 

John G



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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Andair/FI Fitting

John, it's been a while since I did this, but I used the Andair valve 

and the standard Van's supplied fuel pump/filter kit. I don't recall a 

special fitting. (It may have something to do with which Andair valve 

you have/ordered as they are available with several different fitting 

configurations) here's a link to the photo album of that portion.



http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2037%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC02794.html



there's  several additional photos, just follow the controls on the page.



Deems Davis # 406

'Its all done....Its just not put together'

http://deemsrv10.com/



John Gonzalez wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Does anyone have an Andair valve and has installed the fuel system 

 which Van's sells. I am trying to figure out why I need to install 

 this special AN fitting in the system. Where does it go and why is it 

 needed?

  

 Seems like the exit port on the fuel system setup which is normally 

 plugged back into the standard Van's fuel selector valve could simple 

 be put right into the Andair valve return port.  What am I missing?

  

 John G



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Jim Berry

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 237
Location: Denver

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Andair/FI Fitting

If by "special AN fitting" you mean the swivel tee, it will make your line connections much easier.



Jim Berry

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: Andair/FI Fitting

JIm,

  

 I do mean the Tee swivel. So if it makes connection easier, where does it make connection easier? WHere does it go?

  

 JOhn



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		   Subject: Re: Andair/FI Fitting

 From: jimberry(at)qwest.net

 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:36:58 -0700

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "jim berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>

 

 If by "special AN fitting" you mean the swivel tee, it will make your line connections much easier.

 

 Jim Berry

 40482

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169701#169701

 

 

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Jim Berry

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 237
Location: Denver

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Andair/FI Fitting

John,



I believe most people are using the Andair valve with the built in 90 degree ports, because it makes plumbing the fuel lines easier. I used the swivel tee on the center(or outflow) port because there is not enough room for a standard tee to clear the other 2 ports during installation. If you spend some time trying to get all 3 lines installed to the Andair in the confined space of the tunnel I think you will find the extra cost of the swivel tee to be worth it.



Jim Berry

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N15JB(reserved)

indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: Andair/FI Fitting

Jim,

  

 I presume what you mean is with the tee fitting, I wouldn't have to run return lines to each tank, and that the way you have it installed means that the overflow fuel that is created when the pump is on just goes back to the supply line coming off the Andair valve.

  

 In my case I was originally going to install a different type of engine which required fuel pumps running continiously, so I in fact have return lines already installed running back to the tank so as I understand it, I will not need this tee fitting. I will just run my overflow line to the upper return port on my Andair valve and return the fuel to the tank it was pulled from.

  

 Is this correct?

  

 Thanks,

  

 JOhn G. 409 redesigning the Door fitting, perfect timing with the emails.



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		   Subject: Re: Andair/FI Fitting

 From: jimberry(at)qwest.net

 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:08:30 -0700

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "jim berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>

 

 John,

 

 I believe most people are using the Andair valve with the built in 90 degree ports, because it makes plumbing the fuel lines easier. I used the swivel tee on the center(or outflow) port because there is not enough room for a standard tee to clear the other 2 ports during installation. If you spend some time trying to get all 3 lines installed to the Andair in the confined space of the tunnel I think you will find the extra cost of the swivel tee to be worth it.

 

 Jim Berry

 40482

 N15JB(reserved)

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169822#169822

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jim Berry

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 237
Location: Denver

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Andair/FI Fitting

John,



I think we may be talking about different things. See page 37-4, step 7. My comments assume one is using the Andair fuel valve with the built in 90 degree fittings. I believe most people are using this valve, as it provides easier routing of the fuel lines than the valve with 45 degree fittings shown in Van's drawings. The problem with using a standard AN826 tee on the center port is that the middle leg of the tee will not clear the right and left ports during installation. The swivel tee allows you to keep the middle leg in a fixed position while you tighten the female leg on to the center port of the Andair Valve.



I also have a return(purge) line for my Airflow Performance injector, so I actually used 2 swivel tees on the center and right ports to make future maintenance easier.



Jim Berry

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N15JB(reserved)

indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: Andair/FI Fitting

Hi Jim,

  

 I am sorry, I am really having trouble understanding why I need this. My andair valve has six ports. I have plumbed all the lines coming from the fuel tanks and going back to the fuel tanks. I originally needed to return fuel to the tanks because I was going to be running electrical fuel pumps all the time. I am still going to run overflow fuel to the tqanks if I am using the boast pump.

  

 I also am using a six inch extension to place the valve lower down in the tunnel. I have no problem with space with the port that will be going to the fuel filter(Outflow). So why can I not just run the 3/8" return line from the pump package relief valve to the return port on the Andair valve?

  

 JOhn



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		   Subject: Re: Andair/FI Fitting

 From: jimberry(at)qwest.net

 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:08:30 -0700

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "jim berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>

 

 John,

 

 I believe most people are using the Andair valve with the built in 90 degree ports, because it makes plumbing the fuel lines easier. I used the swivel tee on the center(or outflow) port because there is not enough room for a standard tee to clear the other 2 ports during installation. If you spend some time trying to get all 3 lines installed to the Andair in the confined space of the tunnel I think you will find the extra cost of the swivel tee to be worth it.

 

 Jim Berry

 40482

 N15JB(reserved)

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169822#169822

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: Andair/FI Fitting

John,

Don't sweat it so much if you think it'll work.   You're just

the first person who has had the more expensive dual valve

required for the subie and the continental install who's then

decided to go to a standard IO-540 install.  If you want to

pump it back to the same tank it came from, I'm guessing it

should work fine.  You're pioneering this one though, so

you're the one who'll have the best feedback....in a couple

years. 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

John Gonzalez wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Jim,

 I am sorry, I am really having trouble understanding why I need this. My 

 andair valve has six ports. I have plumbed all the lines coming from the 

 fuel tanks and going back to the fuel tanks. I originally needed to 

 return fuel to the tanks because I was going to be running electrical 

 fuel pumps all the time. I am still going to run overflow fuel to the 

 tqanks if I am using the boast pump.

 I also am using a six inch extension to place the valve lower down in 

 the tunnel. I have no problem with space with the port that will be 

 going to the fuel filter(Outflow). So why can I not just run the 3/8" 

 return line from the pump package relief valve to the return port on the 

 Andair valve?

 JOhn

  > Subject: Re: Andair/FI Fitting

  > From: jimberry(at)qwest.net

  > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:08:30 -0700

  > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

  >

  > 

  >

  > John,

  >

  > I believe most people are using the Andair valve with the built in 90 

 degree ports, because it makes plumbing the fuel lines easier. I used 

 the swivel tee on the center(or outflow) port because there is not 

 enough room for a standard tee to clear the other 2 ports during 

 installation. If you spend some time trying to get all 3 lines installed 

 to the Andair in the confined space of the tunnel I think you will find 

 the extra cost of the swivel tee to be worth it.

  >

  > Jim Berry

  > 40482

  > N15JB(reserved)

  >

  >

  >

  >

  > Read this topic online here:

  >

  > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169822#169822

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: Andair/FI Fitting

On the communication end, I figured something like that was occurring. It just wasn't making sense.

  

 Thanks for bridging the gap.

  

 John



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		   Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:50:55 -0500

 From: Tim(at)MyRV10.com

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Andair/FI Fitting

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

 

 John,

 

 Don't sweat it so much if you think it'll work. You're just

 the first person who has had the more expensive dual valve

 required for the subie and the continental install who's then

 decided to go to a standard IO-540 install. If you want to

 pump it back to the same tank it came from, I'm guessing it

 should work fine. You're pioneering this one though, so

 you're the one who'll have the best feedback...in a couple

 years. 

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 do not archive

 

 

 John Gonzalez wrote:

 > Hi Jim,

 > 

 > I am sorry, I am really having trouble understanding why I need this. My 

 > andair valve has six ports. I have plumbed all the lines coming from the 

 > fuel tanks and going back to the fuel tanks. I originally needed to 

 > return fuel to the tanks because I was going to be running electrical 

 > fuel pumps all the time. I am still going to run overflow fuel to the 

 > tqanks if I am using the boast pump.

 > 

 > I also am using a six inch extension to place the valve lower down in 

 > the tunnel. I have no problem with space with the port that will be 

 > going to the fuel filter(Outflow). So why can I not just run the 3/8" 

 > return line from the pump package relief valve to the return port on the 

 > Andair valve?

 > 

 > JOhn

 > 

 > > Subject: Re: Andair/FI Fitting

 > > From: jimberry(at)qwest.net

 > > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:08:30 -0700

 > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 > >

 > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "jim berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>

 > >

 > > John,

 > >

 > > I believe most people are using the Andair valve with the built in 90 

 > degree ports, because it makes plumbing the fuel lines easier. I used 

 > the swivel tee on the center(or outflow) port because there is not 

 > enough room for a standard tee to clear the other 2 ports during 

 > installation. If you spend some time trying to get all 3 lines installed 

 > to the Andair in the confined space of the tunnel I think you will find 

 > the extra cost of the swivel tee to be worth it.

 > >

 > > Jim Berry

 > > 40482

 > > N15JB(reserved)

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > > Read this topic online here:

 > >

 > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169822#169822

 > >

 > >

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 > >

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