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zstasch(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: newbie questions

Hello,



I've decided to purchase the rudder starter kit to

build with my son but I'd like to put together some

tools first.



I found clecos and cleco pliers at yardstore.com for

less than they charge at ZAC but there are two

different types, one with up to a 1/4" draw length or

a long reach series with up to a 1/2" draw length.  Is

the 1/2" necessary (easier to work with), or will the

1/4" work ok?  The 1/2" are more expensive than at

ZAC.



I plan to start with a hand riveter then perhaps

upgrade if I get as addicted with this project as you

all seem to be   Should I get the one from ZAC or

can you recommend something better or less expensive?



Also, can anyone tell me what that straight line

drawer thing is called, or maybe where to get one? 



Thank you,



David

Metal Working 101 DVD

Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: newbie questions

In answer to your second question some call it an edge marker. ATS sells

one. Look here or under sheet metal tools:



http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=AE6352&ReturnPage=/

shop/search_result.aspx?PageNo=1



Avery Tools sells the same thing but theirs is in black and white, not color

  Same price though:



https://www.averytools.com/p-277-edge-marker-block.aspx



If you haven't already consider some of the HomebuiltHELP DVDs, an Olfa

knife and lots of fine point Sharpies



http://homebuilthelp.com/



-- Craig



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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: newbie questions

I got my clecos at US Tool ( www.ustool.com ). They are selling them for 

34 cents each right now. I have had no need for the longer reach clecos, 

the standard ones have worked fine.



I bought a pneumatic riveter from Harbor Freight. They sell two 

different ones, I bought this one: http://tinyurl.com/2c4vka

I built the entire plane with it and it held up fine. I ground my own 

rivet heads to make the domed rivets and ordered extra heads from HF so 

I still had the flat faced ones if needed.



For making reference lines for rivets along the edge of sheets, I just 

made a guide from a bit of scrap aluminum sheet. I bent one edge of a 

small piece of sheet to a sharp 90 degree angle and drilled a small hole 

the proper distance from this bent edge. Put the guide on the edge of 

your sheet and put the tip of your sharpie in the hole and slide the 

guide along the edge. It worked great and cost nothing.



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 Hello,

 

 I've decided to purchase the rudder starter kit to

 build with my son but I'd like to put together some

 tools first.

 

 I found clecos and cleco pliers at yardstore.com for

 less than they charge at ZAC but there are two

 different types, one with up to a 1/4" draw length or

 a long reach series with up to a 1/2" draw length.  Is

 the 1/2" necessary (easier to work with), or will the

 1/4" work ok?  The 1/2" are more expensive than at

 ZAC.

 

 I plan to start with a hand riveter then perhaps

 upgrade if I get as addicted with this project as you

 all seem to be   Should I get the one from ZAC or

 can you recommend something better or less expensive?

 

 Also, can anyone tell me what that straight line

 drawer thing is called, or maybe where to get one? 

 


	


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Zenith 601XL N61BM

Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive

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jmcburney(at)pobox.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: newbie questions

Hi, David,



Welcome to the "club"!  What plane are you going to build?  How old is your

son?  I applaud you for embarking on such a project with him.  I also envy

you that opportunity -- my son was 36 years old with a family of his own

when I started building.  He visits me on occasion, but it's not the same.



Check out Countrysidewalk for used Clecoes, drill bits, and other tools.

http://www.countrysidewalk.com/.  Go to the "Tool Shed" page.  Most of your

Cleco needs will be for 1/4" reach, but I found a few 3/16", 1/2" reach,

were helpful.  Harbor Freight has some good tools, some junk, but their

rivet pullers are good.  The Zenith rivet puller is VERY susceptible to

over-pressure (don't ask why I know!) and won't reach some of the tight

places as well as the HF unit does.  Zenith will sell you machined

nosepieces or will machine yours if you send them to Mexico, MO., or you can

anneal them and form them yourself.  There was a post here some time ago

about that.  Check archives.



Blue skies and tailwinds



Jim

CH-801

DeltaHawk diesel

Augusta GA

90% done, 90% left

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dstasch

Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Posts: 8

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: Re: newbie questions

Thank you to everyone who replied here and thru e-mail!  I know that newbie questions get beat to death and I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to them again.  With all the info and links I've received, I'm confident I will be ordering the starter kit with all the correct tools in place.



Jim,

We're planning to build the 601xl.  My son recently turned 16 and now that he has his drivers license I'm guessing this will soon be turning into a solo project for me, but I'm still looking forward any time we spend on it together.  I'm also guessing he will be about 36 when I reached the 90% you've reached on your 801 



Thanks again,

David

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