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Rex Hefferan
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Olney Springs, Colorado USA "NOT a Kitpig"
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 Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: Onus or Otis? |
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Noel and Steve,
I respect you both for what you have contributed here, please believe
that. I wish I could speak from as much life experience as even the
average person on this list. I hope our discussions serve all towards
increasing understanding of every aspect of owning a Kitfox. Without
personal conflicts would be preferable. We should all know it is
trickier to debate subjects via email than in person and still avoid
provoking misunderstandings.
That said, shouldn't it be: onus not Otis? This is a minor detail to be
sure. We all have errors and misconceptions, I know I do and have made
similar errors. I hope someone will point them out to me when I make one
again.
I'm doing this now because I read a great little article here:
http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/str/4.html
It kinda got me fired up to try to correct errors when I see them. It'll
subside soon and I'll get back to letting these little nitpicks go
without comment. Otherwise good points of discussion.
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Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Noel Loveys wrote:
| Quote: | The builder is the manufacturer of the plane... as such he has the
right to put whatever weight rating on the plane he wants. How can
that be fraud. If you wnt to be totally safe check the construction of
your plane against other model I. There is no law that I know of that
says you have to fly up to 1050. If on the other hand you find the
pass throughs have been beefed up, The spars have additional internal
support Etc. Etc then feel safe to fly to Mr. Denney’s spec. The Otis,
as I see it, is on you, the pilot, to make sure your plane is safe.
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Float Flyr
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: Onus or Otis? |
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Rex:
As soon as I saw the header, I see headers before downloading the whole
E-Mail into my computer. Doing so is another guard against getting a virus
or some other nasty beastie. Any way, you are correct it is onus not Otis.
My elevator must be descending. The only correction I can see right now,
before having a look at your link, is for me to; open mouth and change feet.
Noel
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Noel Loveys
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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: Onus or Otis? |
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One word or the other really doesn't change the fact that it does no good to shoot the bearer of bad news if the news is true. Another fact is that in a crash, the pilot is likley the first one there and the one most affected by it. Jim Chuk Avids Mn
[quote] From: noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Onus or Otis?
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:22:51 -0230
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>
Rex:
As soon as I saw the header, I see headers before downloading the whole
E-Mail into my computer. Doing so is another guard against getting a virus
or some other nasty beastie. Any way, you are correct it is onus not Otis.
My elevator must be descending. The only correction I can see right now,
before having a look at your link, is for me to; open mouth and change feet.
Noel
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: Onus or Otis? |
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If I only had a nickel for every time I had to bite my tongue over
some of the wording, misspelling, punctuation, etc., of some of the
posts I've read here, and I know I've added a few myself. Sometimes I
wonder how some of us got to be pilots...thank God the knowledge test
didn't require proper English, or writing skills. Wait a
minute....maybe if it did, they'd weed out a few more pilots. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 18, 2008, at 1:49 AM, Rexinator wrote:
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Noel and Steve,
I respect you both for what you have contributed here, please
believe that. I wish I could speak from as much life experience as
even the average person on this list. I hope our discussions serve
all towards increasing understanding of every aspect of owning a
Kitfox. Without personal conflicts would be preferable. We should
all know it is trickier to debate subjects via email than in person
and still avoid provoking misunderstandings.
That said, shouldn't it be: onus not Otis? This is a minor detail
to be sure. We all have errors and misconceptions, I know I do and
have made similar errors. I hope someone will point them out to me
when I make one again.
I'm doing this now because I read a great little article here:
http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/str/4.html
It kinda got me fired up to try to correct errors when I see them.
It'll subside soon and I'll get back to letting these little
nitpicks go without comment. Otherwise good points of discussion.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Noel Loveys wrote:
> The builder is the manufacturer of the plane... as such he has the
> right to put whatever weight rating on the plane he wants. How can
> that be fraud. If you wnt to be totally safe check the
> construction of your plane against other model I. There is no law
> that I know of that says you have to fly up to 1050. If on the
> other hand you find the pass throughs have been beefed up, The
> spars have additional internal support Etc. Etc then feel safe to
> fly to Mr. Denney’s spec. The Otis, as I see it, is on you, the
> pilot, to make sure your plane is safe.
>
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helili(at)chahtatushka.ne
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Onus or Otis? |
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Lynn,
Here's a URL
(http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/english_profi
ciency/) that says, "The ability to read, speak, write, and understand
English is already a U.S. regulatory eligibility requirement." To operate
internationally with a US pilot certificate of Private, Commercial, or ATP,
beginning March 5, 2008 we now are required to have that "English
proficient" endorsement on our pilot certificates. The US has filed a
difference with ICAO to extend that requirement to March 5, 2009.
I just threw this in for humor, and to show the irony that exists in
aviation. It is not meant to nitpick or sharpshoot.
John Hart
Wilburton, OK
Model IV
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: Onus or Otis? |
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No problem, John, and just to show how the English language is all
messed up, take this example:
If you take your sentence below...."Here's a URL".....and mentally
said the word URL as "earl" then the word "an" should have preceded
it, as in "here's an earl" , but if you say each letter of the
acronym "URL" individually, then the sentence needs the word/letter
"a" proceeding the "you" "are" "ell", as in "Here's a you-are-ell"
It's no wonder that this language that we speak is so convoluted and
hard to learn.
Do you suppose that the extra year extension of this requirement will
see millions of us running to get educated so as to meet that
requirement? : )
Lynn
do not archive
On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:18 PM, John W. Hart wrote:
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<helili(at)chahtatushka.net>
Lynn,
Here's a URL
(http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/
english_profi
ciency/) that says, "The ability to read, speak, write, and understand
English is already a U.S. regulatory eligibility requirement." To
operate
internationally with a US pilot certificate of Private, Commercial,
or ATP,
beginning March 5, 2008 we now are required to have that "English
proficient" endorsement on our pilot certificates. The US has filed a
difference with ICAO to extend that requirement to March 5, 2009.
I just threw this in for humor, and to show the irony that exists in
aviation. It is not meant to nitpick or sharpshoot.
John Hart
Wilburton, OK
Model IV
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Float Flyr
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Onus or Otis? |
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Reminds me of the French language test they have in Quebec... Apparently
there are Franco phones from France who flunked the test.
Noel
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