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lgold(at)quantum-associat
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

My  left arm is weak because of an old shoulder injury so I found it difficult extending the flaps on  my new 701. It took two hands, so whenever I used the flaps I had to  l<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"  />et go the stick, and the plane  would start to dive before I  regained control… not good close to the  ground! 

So  I looked around for alternatives. I rejected electric flaps because I didn’t  want to increase the potential for failures (shorts, motor burn-outs,  etc). Michael Heintz at Quality Sport Plane in Northern Ca. came to the rescue with the perfect solution, a flap handle with  mechanical advantage. It is very easy to  deploy the flaps using this device and even gives a few more degrees of flap if  you need them (see two attached pictures). You can visit Quality  Sport at http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_023.htm if you are  interested in purchasing one. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =  "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> 

FYI, Michael and Quality Sport were very helpful during the  construction of my 701, and Michael is an excellent 701 pilot. A back-country flying DVD,  which was produced by Christopher Desmond, features flying by Michael (and Christopher). This  DVD is really great! The photography and the STOL flying far exceed anything I  have ever seen; Hollywood couldn't do better! Cameras were mounted on the wing, inside the  cockpit, and looking up from the ground.   Flights go into canyons, land on river banks, and fly from small gravel  and grass strips. This video is truly spectacular. If you’re interested, I  recommend previewing the DVD on  YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBb_IuT1_o  or contact Christopher to order the full  DVD at http://www.stol-adventures.com/. 

Regards,  

Les

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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

I like the idea, the stock system is pretty poor, what are the flap angles?



Kevin

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rroberts

Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 50
Location: Birmingham, AL USA

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

Les,

More info please on the flap control.  How expensive is it and do they sell them?

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lgold(at)quantum-associat
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

Rick,

My understanding is that Michael has a machinist make up a batch when he

gets a few orders. I think the price for the control was about $300+.

Suggest you contact Quality Sport to find out about availability and exact

price. 

It took me about 1/2 a day to do the installation. I used the same rivet

holes that the old flap handle sat on. You have to cut the flap handle off

and insert a cylindrical fitting, that comes with the unit, into the

remaining flap control tube. This fitting has an adjustable threaded end

that attaches to the new control arm. It takes almost no effort to extend or

raise the flaps and its easy to see just where your flaps are set (each

detent is about 5-degrees of flap).

Les  



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lgold(at)quantum-associat
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

Kevin, 

The flap angles are approximately 5, 10, 15, and 20-degrees. I have been

told to use care extending to 20-degrees because Zenith once provided about

25-degrees of flap and some people "got in trouble" using it.

Les 



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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

Details and more photos here:



http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_084.htm



The name "Kube Kontrol" apparently comes from the designed/machinist: Robert

Kube



-- Craig



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rroberts

Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 50
Location: Birmingham, AL USA

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

Maybe with this handle I won't go inverted again when flaps come in!   



Thanks all, will order mine tomorrow.

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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

Thanks and don't worry, I'm interested in the increments, not a speed brake.



Kevin

[quote="lgold(at)quantum-associat"]Kevin, 

The flap angles are approximately 5, 10, 15, and 20-degrees. I have been

told to use care extending to 20-degrees because Zenith once provided about

25-degrees of flap and some people "got in trouble" using it.

Les 



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dirkslabbert(at)telkomsa.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

Les, there are some other versions on the list too,  this is what I done.

  

 Full up is actually + 2 to 3 deg, for a slightly  better cruise, down limit is 12 to 15 deg.

  

 The result remains to be seen........

  All the best,

 Dirk.

 Piketberg SA

 ZU SUZ

 Stol 701 ( dual stick, wide body)

  

  

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ga23

Joined: 24 Mar 2008
Posts: 9

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

While looking at your flap actuator pictures I saw there is a BRS handle there. Could you provide some info/pictures about your BRS installation? I am going to also install one on my CH 701 and I am not sure about type and location yet.



Thanks,



Greg

lgold(at)quantum-associat
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

Your flap actuator looks good Dirk,

 FYI, Michael warned me not to set the flaps  up above the neutral position for cruise. Have you found that this  really improves speed? 

 Les



 [quote]         From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dirk    Slabbert

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:59 PM

To:    zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 701 Flap control    solution and flying DVD 

   

   Les, there are some other versions on the list    too, this is what I done.

    

   Full up is actually + 2 to 3 deg, for a slightly    better cruise, down limit is 12 to 15 deg.

    

   The result remains to be  seen........

    All the best,

   Dirk.

   Piketberg SA

   ZU SUZ

   Stol 701 ( dual stick, wide body)

    

    

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n801bh(at)netzero.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

Michael is right... On my 801 I set up my flaperons with about 3 degrees of "reflex".. That's flaps set above neutral.... I lost 5 mph and the plane flew nose up.... They are back to the factory setting now... Some planes might be able to take advantage of reflex, The STOL series in not in that group... YMMV 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- "Les Goldner" <lgold(at)quantum-associates.com> wrote:

 Your flap actuator looks good Dirk,

 FYI, Michael warned me not to set the flaps up above the neutral position for cruise. Have you found that this really improves speed? 

 Les



 [quote]   From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Slabbert

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:59 PM

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD 

 

 Les, there are some other versions on the list too, this is what I done.

  

 Full up is actually + 2 to 3 deg, for a slightly better cruise, down limit is 12 to 15 deg.

  

 The result remains to be seen........

  All the best,

 Dirk.

 Piketberg SA

 ZU SUZ

 Stol 701 ( dual stick, wide body)

  

  

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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD

No tht position will not help in speed...  Been there, done that       

  Saludos

  Gary Gower

  Flying from Chapala, Mexico.

  701 912S   168 hrs. 

  Not brave enough to test the "no slats vortex" thing    

   

  Do not archive.



Les Goldner <lgold(at)quantum-associates.com> wrote:

  [quote]        Your flap actuator looks good Dirk,

  FYI, Michael warned me not to set the flaps up above the neutral position for cruise. Have  you found that this really improves speed? 

  Les



  [quote]      From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Slabbert

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:59 PM

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 701 Flap control solution and flying DVD 

  

  Les, there are some other versions on the list too, this is what I done.

   

  Full up is actually + 2 to 3 deg, for a  slightly better cruise, down limit is 12 to 15 deg.

   

  The result remains to be seen........

   All the best,

  Dirk.

  Piketberg SA

  ZU SUZ

  Stol 701 ( dual stick, wide body)

   

   

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