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peteohms
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I need to tow my Kitfox III forward facing on a Uhaul Car trailer for about 60 miles. How much fuel can I leave in the tanks? It has about 15+ gallons now.
Pete
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Pete a few gal's in each tank is ok, what you want to watch for is stress on the wings when folded and towing! The other thing is you don't want fuel leaking from your tanks when folded. Make sure you support the front spar with an attachment from the spar to the float attachment point.
Ray
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Subject: Draining Wing Tanks
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Rex Hefferan
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Olney Springs, Colorado USA "NOT a Kitpig"
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Pete,
I'm sure you are thinking about the stresses that bumps in the road and
fuel weight on folded wings can have. It might be enlightening to take
note of the effort it takes to lift the tail before and after folding
the wings. The extra weight on the tail wheel spring could effect extra
stresses too. There's been failures of the tail spring mentioned on this
list just from normal use.
Car trailers are going to have stiff suspensions with a light load such
as a small airplane. Since you will have your Kitfox facing forward and
the tail probably down the wings can catch a lot of lift from whatever
forward speed plus headwind you may decide to travel. Just take it slow
and easy.
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Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
RAY Gignac wrote:
| Quote: | Pete a few gal's in each tank is ok, what you want to watch for is
stress on the wings when folded and towing! The other thing is you
don't want fuel leaking from your tanks when folded. Make sure you
support the front spar with an attachment from the spar to the float
attachment point.
Ray
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From: apeterchristensen(at)sbcglobal.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Draining Wing Tanks
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:45:52 -0600
I need to tow my Kitfox III forward facing on a Uhaul Car trailer
for about 60 miles. How much fuel can I leave in the tanks? It
has about 15+ gallons now.
Pete
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Sam Brunson
Joined: 06 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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I believe it would be safer to drain most of the fuel. It would be safer and you would have more piece of mind,
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kcflys
Joined: 28 Aug 2007
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Location: Rancho Cordova, CA
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Pete,
I just towed mine 1700mi same situation. It was suggested I drain to 5gal. or less in ea. wing. We made it without major mishap.
Keith C.
Mod IV 912
Mather (MHR) CA
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kcflys
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Pete,
Long day, I misread, mine was tail forward on a trailer made for it. Still the weight on the tail from the wings is much more. Less is better.
Keith C.
Mod IV 912
Mather (MHR) CA
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dave
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Pete, I would drain fuel or a good part of it (all but a few gallons in each at most )
secondly and VERY important . use wing root braces to support the forward spar tube as it will likely be very hard on the epoxy joints on rear spar. If you don't then damage could and likely will occur -- fuel or no fuel.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Pete,
I trailered my Kitfox from Mass to Fl on a flatbed trailer. It was also on the trailer with the nose forward and tied well. The tail was supported just forward of the tailspring with a hay bale (removed in picture)to keep the aluminum spring off the deck and possible breakage (I no longer have that spring but have a nice 3 leaf steel I bought from John McBean) The tanks were drained to reduce weight and it traveled well at over 70mph for aprox 2200 miles. The only "damage" was a lot of road salt I had to clean off and scuffing on the tires. Apparently the bouncing slowly rotated the tires up against the trailer rails and put scuff marks in the tires.
Truckers on the CB commented the plane looked like a large beetle!
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
PS: I am off to Lakeland this morning (driving)
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Float Flyr
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Drain as much fuel out of the wings as you can.
To do this open the wings (flight position) and drain from the gascolator rocking the plane laterally (left to right) as the tanks come close to empty.
You can strain the gas and put it in your car for the ride. J I guess using a piece of plastic gas line you could flow the gas right into your car.
I won’t go into the other things you should do to tow the plane head on. I’m sure you will get enough advice on that.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 5:16 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Draining Wing Tanks
I need to tow my Kitfox III forward facing on a Uhaul Car trailer for about 60 miles. How much fuel can I leave in the tanks? It has about 15+ gallons now.
Pete
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From: Noel Loveys (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: TCP
I couldn’t get the link to work but the percentages look familiar.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:52 AM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: TCP
Here is something I read a few years ago, it is an accident report on the NSTB site that mentions MMO and in the 5th paragraph up from the bottom, it says that MMO is mineral oil, stoddard solvent, and lard (75%, 24%, 1%) I can't say for sure this is true, it is an official gov. document though, so who knows. Hope this long link comes out okey. I found it again on the web by searching Marvel mystery oil FAA and found it on the second page I think. Jim Chuk Avids Mn
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20020916X01610&nstbno=NYC0LA181&akey=1
if that isn't the right link, maybe this is (not sure if the 0 in NYCOLA is a letter or #)
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20020916X01610&nstbno=NYCOLA181&akey=1
> Subject: Re: TCP
> From: rlee468(at)comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:29:36 -0700
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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> I have the same question. How do you know MMO is Stoddard solvent? Where did you find that information or is just a guess or hearsay?
> The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon barrels for many applications including all air tools. The military also uses barrels of the stuff. In view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard solvent.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14' long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend or break something I am sure.
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
[quote] From: Catz631(at)aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:44:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Draining Wing Tanks
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Pete,
I trailered my Kitfox from Mass to Fl on a flatbed trailer. It was also on the trailer with the nose forward and tied well. The tail was supported just forward of the tailspring with a hay bale (removed in picture)to keep the aluminum spring off the deck and possible breakage (I no longer have that spring but have a nice 3 leaf steel I bought from John McBean) The tanks were drained to reduce weight and it traveled well at over 70mph for aprox 2200 miles. The only "damage" was a lot of road salt I had to clean off and scuffing on the tires. Apparently the bouncing slowly rotated the tires up against the trailer rails and put scuff marks in the tires.
Truckers on the CB commented the plane looked like a large beetle!
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
PS: I am off to Lakeland this morning (driving)
Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides.
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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With the wings swung back, most of the weight is still carried by the
lift struts, but you still have to support the outer portion of the
wing with wing braces that go from the front spar attachment point to
the float bracket just in front of the strut attachment point. The
wings are held from swinging outward by a couple of braces that go
from a point near the rear strut-to-wing attachment to a tab sticking
out from the fuselage near the horizontal stab.
A recent poster (Keith C.) just completed a 1700 mile trip using this
method, with no problems. John McBean probably sells everything needed.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:12 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
| Quote: | Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the
weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14'
long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend
or break something I am sure.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Lynn, I saw a Kitfox with tubular braces from the bracket that the wing struts, and I guess the float gear attach to, to the leading edge spar as you mention. It just doesn't look like that would support the wing enough. It looks like the weight of the wing bouncing in transit would use those support points that are close to the inner end of the wing to act as a pivot point applying large torque force at the rear wing attach pin.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Draining Wing Tanks
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:11:03 -0400
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
With the wings swung back, most of the weight is still carried by the
lift struts, but you still have to support the outer portion of the
wing with wing braces that go from the front spar attachment point to
the float bracket just in front of the strut attachment point. The
wings are held from swinging outward by a couple of braces that go
from a point near the rear strut-to-wing attachment to a tab sticking
out from the fuselage near the horizontal stab.
A recent poster (Keith C.) just completed a 1700 mile trip using this
method, with no problems. John McBean probably sells everything needed.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:12 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the
> weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14'
> long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend
> or break something I am sure.
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> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild>
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peteohms
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Thanks to all who sent advise on towing. Got my III home on a Y'all Haul as
we say in Texas. Towed it backwards and it fit perfectly. Towed about 60
miles only 10 of that on interstate.
Pete
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Here are a few pictures of my wing supports that came with my MK IV from the factory. They seem to work just fine. Jim Chuk Avids Mn
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To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Draining Wing Tanks
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:14:44 +0000
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P{padding:0px;}.ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage{font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Lynn, I saw a Kitfox with tubular braces from the bracket that the wing struts, and I guess the float gear attach to, to the leading edge spar as you mention. It just doesn't look like that would support the wing enough. It looks like the weight of the wing bouncing in transit would use those support points that are close to the inner end of the wing to act as a pivot point applying large torque force at the rear wing attach pin.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
| Quote: | From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
Subject: Re: Draining Wing Tanks
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:11:03 -0400
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
With the wings swung back, most of the weight is still carried by the
lift struts, but you still have to support the outer portion of the
wing with wing braces that go from the front spar attachment point to
the float bracket just in front of the strut attachment point. The
wings are held from swinging outward by a couple of braces that go
from a point near the rear strut-to-wing attachment to a tab sticking
out from the fuselage near the horizontal stab.
A recent poster (Keith C.) just completed a 1700 mile trip using this
method, with no problems. John McBean probably sells everything needed.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:12 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the
> weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14'
> long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend
> or break something I am sure.
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> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Jim, Thanks for the wing support pictures. Those are the same type I have sen and questioned their ability to stabilize the wing. If you say they do the job I will have to build some. I didn't get any with my purchase of the rebuilder.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rbuild
Rockford, IL
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To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Draining Wing Tanks
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 02:50:26 +0000
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Here are a few pictures of my wing supports that came with my MK IV from the factory. They seem to work just fine. Jim Chuk Avids Mn
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To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Draining Wing Tanks
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:14:44 +0000
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Lynn, I saw a Kitfox with tubular braces from the bracket that the wing struts, and I guess the float gear attach to, to the leading edge spar as you mention. It just doesn't look like that would support the wing enough. It looks like the weight of the wing bouncing in transit would use those support points that are close to the inner end of the wing to act as a pivot point applying large torque force at the rear wing attach pin.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
| Quote: | From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
Subject: Re: Draining Wing Tanks
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:11:03 -0400
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
With the wings swung back, most of the weight is still carried by the
lift struts, but you still have to support the outer portion of the
wing with wing braces that go from the front spar attachment point to
the float bracket just in front of the strut attachment point. The
wings are held from swinging outward by a couple of braces that go
from a point near the rear strut-to-wing attachment to a tab sticking
out from the fuselage near the horizontal stab.
A recent poster (Keith C.) just completed a 1700 mile trip using this
method, with no problems. John McBean probably sells everything needed.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:12 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the
> weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14'
> long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend
> or break something I am sure.
>
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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I see what you're saying, Pat, but in use they work just fine. At
least the ones I built work fine, but I have the shorter wing...less
moment to deal with...and made sure to have no fuel on board when I
trailered mine for the approx. 60 miles that I actually used them. I
loaned Keith mine for his 1700-mile trip and he reports that they
worked great. Now I got the preface this with a disclaimer....I built
mine with approx 1/8" wall thickness steel tubing, not the electrical
tubing that I read someone was using, with a bent end for attachment.
I think the real trick is to get the fuel out, and stay off really
rough roads.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 7, 2008, at 4:14 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
| Quote: | Lynn, I saw a Kitfox with tubular braces from the bracket that the
wing struts, and I guess the float gear attach to, to the leading
edge spar as you mention. It just doesn't look like that would
support the wing enough. It looks like the weight of the wing
bouncing in transit would use those support points that are close
to the inner end of the wing to act as a pivot point applying large
torque force at the rear wing attach pin.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
> Subject: Re: Draining Wing Tanks
> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:11:03 -0400
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> With the wings swung back, most of the weight is still carried by
the
> lift struts, but you still have to support the outer portion of the
> wing with wing braces that go from the front spar attachment
point to
> the float bracket just in front of the strut attachment point. The
> wings are held from swinging outward by a couple of braces that go
> from a point near the rear strut-to-wing attachment to a tab
sticking
> out from the fuselage near the horizontal stab.
>
> A recent poster (Keith C.) just completed a 1700 mile trip using
this
> method, with no problems. John McBean probably sells everything
needed.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:12 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
>
> > Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the
> > weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14'
> > long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend
> > or break something I am sure.
> >
> >
> > Pat Reilly
> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild>
>
>
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kcflys
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Lynn and All,
Interstate 5 in Calif. was no picnic, rough wise, and everything still seems
OK. The braces I had made are from square steel tubing? They are patterned
after Lynn's and I like the security of them being that solid. If you
notice the little bit of lift needed to replace the wing and pin it, that
weight needs to be supported by the brace while bouncing along the road. I
now would not move it without the braces in place.
Keith C.
Mod IV 912
Mather (MHR) CA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Lynn, Thanks for the heavy wall tubing recommendation. I will use heavier tubing than I planned. And, yes no fuel in the tanks. I can't figure out the questions about "How much fuel should I drain before transporting with wings folded?" ......Simple ALL OF IT!!!
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
| Quote: | From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
Subject: Re: Draining Wing Tanks
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:11:53 -0400
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
I see what you're saying, Pat, but in use they work just fine. At
least the ones I built work fine, but I have the shorter wing..less
moment to deal with...and made sure to have no fuel on board when I
trailered mine for the approx. 60 miles that I actually used them. I
loaned Keith mine for his 1700-mile trip and he reports that they
worked great. Now I got the preface this with a disclaimer....I built
mine with approx 1/8" wall thickness steel tubing, not the electrical
tubing that I read someone was using, with a bent end for attachment.
I think the real trick is to get the fuel out, and stay off really
rough roads.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 7, 2008, at 4:14 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I saw a Kitfox with tubular braces from the bracket that the
> wing struts, and I guess the float gear attach to, to the leading
> edge spar as you mention. It just doesn't look like that would
> support the wing enough. It looks like the weight of the wing
> bouncing in transit would use those support points that are close
> to the inner end of the wing to act as a pivot point applying large
> torque force at the rear wing attach pin.
> do not archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> > From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Draining Wing Tanks
> > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:11:03 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
> >
> > With the wings swung back, most of the weight is still carried by
> the
> > lift struts, but you still have to support the outer portion of the
> > wing with wing braces that go from the front spar attachment
> point to
> > the float bracket just in front of the strut attachment point. The
> > wings are held from swinging outward by a couple of braces that go
> > from a point near the rear strut-to-wing attachment to a tab
> sticking
> > out from the fuselage near the horizontal stab.
> >
> > A recent poster (Keith C.) just completed a 1700 mile trip using
> this
> > method, with no problems. John McBean probably sells everything
> needed.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
> >
> >
> > On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:12 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> >
> > > Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the
> > > weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14'
> > > long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend
> > > or break something I am sure.
> > >
> > >
> > > Pat Reilly
> > > Mod 3 582 Rebuild>
> >
> >
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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I’m not Dick but...
The wings are supported by the wing struts not by the rear attachment pins. Those pins are only to keep the wings folded. Personally I don’t trust them so before I tow my plane I tie the Flaperons together with a small bungee. I also put a protective cover over the flaperons in the area of the vertical stab/rudder to protect the vertical stab from being rubbed by the flaperons.
I remove as much gas from the wings as possible before towing.
Because I don’t have a support for the leading edge that I can use while on floats I tow very slowly..... VERY slowly and only two miles from here to the pond.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:42 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Draining Wing Tanks
Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14' long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend or break something I am sure.
do not archieve
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: Draining Wing Tanks |
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Yes, "all of it" is the best response I can think of. I had all of
mine out because I mainly towed my plane to get it weighed...and to
show it off out at the radio control club. : )
I've got some pictures of my braces, but wasn't able to find them
quickly this morning...I'll look again.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 8, 2008, at 10:36 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
| Quote: | Lynn, Thanks for the heavy wall tubing recommendation. I will use
heavier tubing than I planned. And, yes no fuel in the tanks. I
can't figure out the questions about "How much fuel should I drain
before transporting with wings folded?" ......Simple ALL OF IT!!!
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
> Subject: Re: Draining Wing Tanks
> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:11:53 -0400
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> I see what you're saying, Pat, but in use they work just fine. At
> least the ones I built work fine, but I have the shorter wing...less
> moment to deal with...and made sure to have no fuel on board when I
> trailered mine for the approx. 60 miles that I actually used them. I
> loaned Keith mine for his 1700-mile trip and he reports that they
> worked great. Now I got the preface this with a disclaimer....I
built
> mine with approx 1/8" wall thickness steel tubing, not the
electrical
> tubing that I read someone was using, with a bent end for
attachment.
> I think the real trick is to get the fuel out, and stay off really
> rough roads.
>
> Lynn Matteson
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