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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: Kitfox 4 Classic compared to Avid MK IV questions |
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Hi all, perhaps some of you know me as haveing been one of the Avid guys on the Kitfox list, well I've come over to the dark side (just kidding) anyway, Saterday I saw a Kitfox 4 project on ebay that was about 70 miles away from me at a real good price on the buy it now. I ended up pushing the buy it now button yesterday so now I have another project on my hands. He said the fusalge is about 90% done, wings were quick build from the factory and have been fitted to the fusaloge although tanks aren't installed yet. Plenty to keep me busy for a while at any rate. My question is this. I've never flown in a Kitfox 4 or been around one so can anyone with experience in an Avid MK IV Heavy Hauler and the Kitfox 4 Classic give me their comparison of the two different airplanes. Thanks Jim Chuk Avid MK IV and Kitfox 4 MN
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Kitfox 4 Classic compared to Avid MK IV questions |
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Jim, they're very close cousins and I doubt you'll find much difference in the two. Just keep it light.
Congratulations!
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Kitfox 4 Classic compared to Avid MK IV questions |
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You are wrong. The Mark IV is a very different aircraft. The Model IV Kitfox flys very much like the Series 7. Clint
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Subject: Re: Kitfox 4 Classic compared to Avid MK IV questions
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:43:00 -0400
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Jim, they're very close cousins and I doubt you'll find much difference in the two. Just keep it light.
Congratulations!
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: Kitfox 4 Classic compared to Avid MK IV questions |
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Quote: "The Model IV Kitfox flys very much like the Series 7."
Are you pretty sure about that? Or is it perhaps an opinion? I might be wrong, but I thought he was asking about an Avid vs KF4.
Deke
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Kitfox 4 Classic compared to Avid MK IV questions |
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| Quote: | Jim, they're very close cousins and I doubt you'll find much difference in the two. Just keep it light.
Congratulations!
Deke Morisse
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Deke, you are incorrect, although cousins they both have very different flying characteristics. I have flown both as well as Kitfox 1 ,2 3 , 4 and and differnt clones. Plus Avids up to heavy hauler Mark IV.
As discussed the other day my videos show it all -- if you look in those youtube flicks this one shows a blue Heavy hauler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR16rYZFccU
You can see the Kitfox IV lifts off alot quicker, but hey I am at the controls. The second one is a Kitfox clone . Ther is one or two more with that same avid in it .
The avid seems to fly well -- 618 and cruises about 85 mph good climb rate about 1200 to 1400 fpm but it was a laggart off the ground in about 400 feet or a bit less. Like the Early Kitfoxes models 1,2 and 3 the avid has not Aileron differential which leaves you with more adverse yaw. The Model IV kitfox rectified a good part of this by going to a 2 to 1 Aileron differential as you likely are aware of.
I will tell you that the Avid Struts I think are a bit stronger than the Kitfox Rod ends. They have a piece of 4130 wrapped around the wing bolt and welded on. Far superior strengthwise that the rod ends. That being said I do not know of a Kitfox Rod end separation. Denny went to rod ends to accommodate the builders tolerances and differences.
All this being said both Avids and Kitfoxes are truly remarkable flying aircraft and a good majority of them sell dirt cheap on the used market.
Kitfox are the second more popular aircraft in the USA registered.
Deke, one thing I will agree with you on is the fact to KEEP THEM LIGHT .
My IV is 550 ish and works very well .
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