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Gary.A.Sobek
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 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege
http://www.greatamericanbirdshow.org/airinfo.html
http://information.travel.aol.com/article/air/_a/why-tsa-agents-act-like-they-do/20080123111509990001
I cannot find ANY sources that says that flying is a RIGHT. Please provide SOURCES for that statement.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,084 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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| Quote: | Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:08:18 -0700
From: jakecrause(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV Safety Record
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>>Flying is a privilege not a right.<<<<
Why do people keep saying that? I see that sentiment often on several different forums. The attitude seems to be that the government is doing us a favor by "allowing" us to fly. Last I checked, government serves us, not the other way around. That being said, we allow our government to ensure that there are standards and that is a good thing for the public in general. We can't infringe on other peoples rights to NOT have an airplane crash through their roof because of unreasonable behavior.
Just my opinion.
Jake Crause
Baghdad, Iraq
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n395v
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? |
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Your question about a source documenting that flying is a right got me wondering about some other things. Is there a source that endows us with a right to reproduce, eat breathe etc?
The answer to all of these as well as flying is yes. They are found in the founding document of the United States The Declaration of independence.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Specifically the last sentence tells me I have a right to fly.
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Terry Watson
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Seattle, WA USA
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? |
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If you accept the equivalence in this context of the words "power" and
"right", then the 10th amendment to the U.S. Constitution pretty much covers
it:
" The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
to the people."
I think Jake and Milt got it about right. We do not live by permission of
any government. The government exists only by our consent. It frightens me
to see how many citizens of the U. S. have either forgotten or never
understood that.
Terry
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chaskuss(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? |
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--- N395V <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> wrote:
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<Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com>
Your question about a source documenting that flying
is a right got me wondering about some other things.
Is there a source that endows us with a right to
reproduce, eat breathe etc?
The answer to all of these as well as flying is yes.
They are found in the founding document of the
United States The Declaration of independence.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
men are created equal, that they are endowed by
their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness."
Specifically the last sentence tells me I have a
right to fly.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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Milt,
I wish what you say is true. Unfortunately, flying
falls under the same criteria as my right to swing my
fist ends at your nose. Flying like driving puts you
in control of a vehicle which may maim or kill others
if operated in a reckless manner.
That is why our government requires you to possess a
license to drive or fly. This is a democratic
republic. The rights of the majority rule. You don't
have the right to drop your airplane onto anyone's
house or property.
To have the RIGHT to fly, you would probably need to
buy an uninhabited island! 
Charlie Kuss
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n395v
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? |
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I do not take issue with regulation for the purpose of public safety ie requirements for training, currency, adequate health and do not view that as depriving me of my right to fly. Same goes for military and other restricted airspace to provide for safety and the common defense.
A privilege is something that can be revoked without cause and I find no basis in law that would allow the fed to do that relative to my right to fly.
I agree with others that when we endorse buzzwords or buzz phrases spit out by politicians such as "flying is a privilege and not a right" then we are de facto making their statements correct. This, in my opinion, is not a good thing to do as it ultimately assists them in their goal of eroding our rights.
At the moment though our right to fly has its biggest challenge in the form of fuel prices rather than an overzealous government.
Now I will go make some popcorn and munch on it while I await the inevitable chastisement from th thought police admonishing us to get back to a discussion of RVs.
do not archive
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