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rv8striker(at)hotmail.com
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 Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Off topic and off the list |
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In my opinion Mr. Maib is right on "Target".
I've been a member of this list for 7 years now. Early on I found it to be a valuable tool in attaining building advice, techniques, and answers to questions that were probably very basic, but important to me because I was a new builder and needed help. Some things I just didn't know. I, like most, had never build an airplane before. Later the discussions about various products including everything from propellers to tail wheels... canopies to tires were all good topics of value to most any builder. And even later, the discussions on Service Bulletins and AD's.... Again good stuff. Very pertinent.
After finishing and flying my aircraft I have continued to monitor the list and took pride in being able to pass along to others on occasion what I had learned while building. I was happy to share my opinion on techniques or products that worked well for me. I figured I owed something back for the help the list provided to me. I think sharing knowledge and time with other builders is a fundamental part of what makes building such a rewarding experience. This list was an important link to that unknown. Without the advice and help of others my project would not be what it is today. I'm sure your's is, or will, be no different.
For some time now I have grown tired of the off subject topics that, do have their place on some forum somewhere, but in my opinion, not on this forum. There are all sorts of forums one can participate in for nearly any topic one wishes to explore. (republican or democrat) Take your business there but leave this site as it was designed to be...an RV builders forum.
Don't bother to flame me, it will go unheard. I have cancelled my subscription. To the new builders, good luck. Once in a while, way down there in the subject lines amid the posts on the "P word" and "whatever" you may get your answer, better yet. search the archives. While cluttered with impertinent posts by those not knowing or wishing to add those three simple words "Do not Archive", one will usually find the answer you are searching for....the one about building an RV.
Steve Struyk, RV-8
"N842S.... Out"
Do Not Archive
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rv7(at)b4.ca
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Off topic and off the list |
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On 19:51 2008-04-13 "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | For some time now I have grown tired of the off subject topics that,
do have their place on some forum somewhere, but in my opinion, not on
this forum. There are all sorts of forums one can participate in for
nearly any topic one wishes to explore. (republican or democrat) Take
your business there but leave this site as it was designed to be...an
RV builders forum.
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Count me #3.
I've been watching the forum for 5 years while slowly working on my
project. In that time the list has turned from a valuable resource for
builders into a list full of people who have finished their projects and
have nothing better to do than discuss topics not relevant to the forum.
"Freedom vs. Priveledge", "How did you like SnF?", etc.
"Don't like the topic? Don't read it!" the whiners say. Actually, most of
us joined because the topics here were supposed to be relevant to RV's. So
I say, "Don't want to talk about RV's? Don't post!" Just like it says in
the RV-List Usage Guidelines (http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/RV-List.FAQ.html). I'm wasting enough time already not building my plane... I don't need to waste my time deleting your off-topic posts as well.
I know there are some new builders here. To those of you, I strongly
suggest joining the specific forum for your type (RV-7-List, RV-6-List,
etc.) as the volume is a lot lower and the signal-to-noise ratio is a lot
higher. That's where i'm going.
Thanks to everyone who's made useful, RV-related suggestions over the past
5 years. I saved most of them, have used some of them, and I plan to use
more of them in the future. I just won't be back to thank you again when I
do, because it would be lost in the noise anyway.
-Rob
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n343fd(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Off topic and off the list |
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I have a flying RV6 and building a RV7. Now I might not think this is the best place for some of the topics however I am not going to take my ball and go home (quit the list) just because I need to use the "delete" button a little more often from time to time. But my biggest question is how in the heck is talking about "SnF" not RV related???? And what now that people are flying they cannot talk about FLYING. Which to me is RV related in a big way.
Do Not Arcive
Mike Divan
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robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Off topic and off the list |
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Rob:
This has been going for years now/ which shows that
rv-builders, suffer from serious" Neurotic Symtoms"\
that is when you get older, it will show, augmented.
No body will want to be near you....
I do like to see other subjects, although they are
some how related to rv.. or flying or improving
our skills, etc.. all about aviation..
NOw if one does not like what you see, just click
and go to the next...
Have a life....be happy and built you plane..
hope you will not be one of those, that after they
start flying,,will act, with the Who are they to tell
me, what to do,, I fly the way I want etc,..,etc..
Robert
rv6a
Do not archive.
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--- Rob Prior <rv7(at)b4.ca> wrote:
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<rv7(at)b4.ca>
On 19:51 2008-04-13 "Steve Struyk"
<rv8striker(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
> For some time now I have grown tired of the off
subject topics that,
> do have their place on some forum somewhere, but
in my opinion, not on
> this forum. There are all sorts of forums one can
participate in for
> nearly any topic one wishes to explore.
(republican or democrat) Take
> your business there but leave this site as it was
designed to be...an
> RV builders forum.
Count me #3.
I've been watching the forum for 5 years while
slowly working on my
project. In that time the list has turned from a
valuable resource for
builders into a list full of people who have
finished their projects and
have nothing better to do than discuss topics not
relevant to the forum.
"Freedom vs. Priveledge", "How did you like SnF?",
etc.
"Don't like the topic? Don't read it!" the whiners
say. Actually, most of
us joined because the topics here were supposed to
be relevant to RV's. So
I say, "Don't want to talk about RV's? Don't
post!" Just like it says in
the RV-List Usage Guidelines
(http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/RV-List.FAQ.html).
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| Quote: | I'm wasting enough time already not building my
plane... I don't need to waste my time deleting your
off-topic posts as well.
I know there are some new builders here. To those
of you, I strongly
suggest joining the specific forum for your type
(RV-7-List, RV-6-List,
etc.) as the volume is a lot lower and the
signal-to-noise ratio is a lot
higher. That's where i'm going.
Thanks to everyone who's made useful, RV-related
suggestions over the past
5 years. I saved most of them, have used some of
them, and I plan to use
more of them in the future. I just won't be back to
thank you again when I
do, because it would be lost in the noise anyway.
-Rob
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Off topic and off the list |
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| Quote: | Don't read it!" the whiners say. Actually, most of
us joined
"How did you like SnF?",
rv7(at)b4.ca
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I really love people who tell us how long they have been valuable contributers but are still listed as guests. I guess filling out the profile is not RV related.
What terrible punishment to suffer when one of the unregistered thought police quits the list.
So Rob as one of the whiners you can just kiss my ass.
do not archive
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panamared5(at)brier.net
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Off topic and off the list |
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| Quote: | I really love people who tell us how long they have been valuable
contributers but are still listed as guests. I guess filling out the
profile is not RV related.
What terrible punishment to suffer when one of the unregistered
thought police quits the list.
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What profile?
A few comments on the state of the list.
1. Back when the list started, RVs were a lot, lot less pre-fabbed.
2. Back when I started building the plans and instructions were
good, but in the last 15 years they have gotten much better.
3. When I was building there were no or very few "how to" pictures
on the Web, now a builder does not have to travel to see a built RV
to understand how to do something, he can view it on the Web.
4. As the RV kits become more of an assembly process, there are a
lot less questions on how to do things.
5. When I was building and I had a question that I called Van's for
an answer, about part A not fitting to part B, the answer was "Make
It Fit"!!!!!??! Now you can ask the RV list and get a thousand of
replies and probably one will have the answer you are looking for.
I can understand the frustration that new builders have. They want a
list with just the answers that they are searching for. But, to keep
the knowledgeable people on the list, there has to be something in it
for them (like how did things go at SnF). I often do not provide
"builder how to info" because how I built my RV in 1995 is not how
they are necessarily built now? Besides, my kit is not even offered
anymore, it is obsolete, OBE, a legacy, a has been! I still really
like it, especially how it flies.
I have often felt that I could have finished my RV two years sooner
if I had not been on the list. It would not have been as good a
product, and I stayed on the list by choice. This is the same choice
everyone else gets to make.
I don't think the list cares if someone quits with the intent of
punishing the list. Sometimes I think the list is being punished by
those who stay on it (like maybe me and this post??), just kidding!!?!
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
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