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droadrunner58(at)yahoo.co
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 Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: alcohol in fuel - fiber glass tanks |
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Last summer I stopped at the Kitfox factory while
considering the purchase of a new kit and the issue of
the tanks with ethanol came up. I was told at that
time that they planned to take a tank and fill it with
pure alcohol to see what effect it would have? Anyone
know if it happened and/or the results of the factory
test?
Marlin
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: alcohol in fuel - fiber glass tanks |
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I have had ZERO trouble with my tanks after thousands of gallon of gas.
If mine leak I will definitely look at these http://wingtanks.com/ .
Has one tried these yet ? http://wingtanks.com/
My dash tank looks like the same material and it is been fantastic so far.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: alcohol in fuel - fiber glass tanks |
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| Quote: | | Thanks, Noel, for taking the time to expose the lies and untruths in the article written by Vincent T. Ciulla, (who must be a shill for the ethanol lobby), which was presented as fact by Rotax Dealer Dave. Dave has been very lucky to have experienced no problems due to E10 fuel. He must have the newer fuel tanks made with vinylester resin. I haven’t been so lucky. My wing tank is of 1989 vintage (polyester resin), which has partially dissolved, resulting in forced landings twice before I realized the cause of the problem and stopped using E10 fuel. I may have to drive over 100 miles to find pure gas, but I think that it’s worth it! |
I am one of the founders of Capital Area Light Flyers flying club (CALF), and we have made the decision to be proactive in fighting the ethanol lobby. Our goal is to convince legislators to exempt one grade of mogas (probably premium) from the ethanol requirement. This has been accomplished presently in at least four states, largely as a result of lobbying by EAA chapters or groups of flyers! Several other states have this exemption before the legislature. A farmer’s lobby has already gained an exemption from mandated ethanol for farm use. Most of CALF’s membership resides in Maryland, so we will initially shoot for a statewide Maryland premium fuel exemption. If we are successful there maybe we’ll tackle Virginia. The laws will not be changed if we do nothing! BTW, McCain is the only presidential candidate who has expressed opposition to the ethanol economy.
For those who wish to dig deeper, I’m attaching a white paper that we have put together as a starter, with facts which are verified. We aim to gather support from EAA, AOPA, BoatsUS, and any other groups adversely affected by the E10 mandate.
Chuck Popenoe
Avid STOL N113P
Flying continuously since 1956
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: alcohol in fuel - fiber glass tanks |
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Chuck:
Far be it for me to put words into Dave’s mouth. He is a high time pilot who flies more in a month than I probably will in a life time. Some of us talk about doing things. Dave is one of those, “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” guys who gets things done.... Fast.
He has the dash tank (HDPE?) and wing tanks so I doubt if any ethanol laced fuel sits in his wings for any length of time. He does have a point about conforming and I can guarantee unless he comes up with problems with the fuel he won’t stop using it. I’d like to see what his answer will be if he does start to have problems... I expect it’s all a matter of time.
I notice though he hasn’t said anything about testing the fuel he uses.
My training is to avoid by whatever means anything that can be a possible dangerous situation. Taken to the Nth degree that would mean I’d hide in a deep hole for eternity. Practically speaking it means ethanol shouldn’t be used in planes. While investigating the pros and cons of ethanol I have found and checked out the rest of my borrowed arguments.
A while ago ( almost a year now ) I talked to a chemical engineer at Imperial Oil (Esso) who told me through ethanol production the demand for Diesel actually increases. His words were,” It’s good for our business”. Esso as a brand has tried to keep ethanol out of its fuel as much as possible. Basically what he said is there were no Esso gas stations in Canada, supplied by Esso that had ethanol in their fuel except two. Those were stations in municipalities in Ontario where there were by-laws requiring the addition of ethanol. I think by this time provincial legislation requires 10% ethanol in all (street ?) gas. The stuff (ethanol)is cursedly expensive to handle, let alone purchase to put into gas, so I’m sure Esso would be most happy to provide airports, marinas and anyone else for that matter with Eth free gas if the government will let them.
As for Mr. Ciulla being a shill for the ethanol lobby; He’s either that a brain dead politician in farm country or a farmer who wants a captive customer. One thing is sure, something smells of rat!
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Popenoe
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Subject: Re: alcohol in fuel - fiber glass tanks
| Quote: | | Thanks, Noel, for taking the time to expose the lies and untruths in the article written by Vincent T. Ciulla, (who must be a shill for the ethanol lobby), which was presented as fact by Rotax Dealer Dave. Dave has been very lucky to have experienced no problems due to E10 fuel. He must have the newer fuel tanks made with vinylester resin. I haven’t been so lucky. My wing tank is of 1989 vintage (polyester resin), which has partially dissolved, resulting in forced landings twice before I realized the cause of the problem and stopped using E10 fuel. I may have to drive over 100 miles to find pure gas, but I think that it’s worth it! |
I am one of the founders of Capital Area Light Flyers flying club (CALF), and we have made the decision to be proactive in fighting the ethanol lobby. Our goal is to convince legislators to exempt one grade of mogas (probably premium) from the ethanol requirement. This has been accomplished presently in at least four states, largely as a result of lobbying by EAA chapters or groups of flyers! Several other states have this exemption before the legislature. A farmer’s lobby has already gained an exemption from mandated ethanol for farm use. Most of CALF’s membership resides in Maryland, so we will initially shoot for a statewide Maryland premium fuel exemption. If we are successful there maybe we’ll tackle Virginia. The laws will not be changed if we do nothing! BTW, McCain is the only presidential candidate who has expressed opposition to the ethanol economy.
For those who wish to dig deeper, I’m attaching a white paper that we have put together as a starter, with facts which are verified. We aim to gather support from EAA, AOPA, BoatsUS, and any other groups adversely affected by the E10 mandate.
Chuck Popenoe
Avid STOL N113P
Flying continuously since 1956
Checked by AVG.
4/14/2008 9:26 AM
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