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randy(at)rjhebertassoc.co
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 Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: LSA was for manufacturers and nobody else |
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Brett
You make an excellent point about how the LSA came about??
I agree with your opinion (I feel that way about a lot of things)
I am 63 and sold my Cessna 152 because of several factors one was medical that has since been cleared up and I was able to renew my class 3
I am building for several reasons
The 701 will allow me to fly w/o the medical if I choose not to renew it.
I can pay as you go. I don't have to take out a loan (one of the reasons I sold the 152)
I know it won't be cheaper just easier for me to handle financing. (For me anyway)
I do enjoy this building process. (I completed riveting the spars last night and began the lightening holes)
I could buy a 1946 Cub $50K or better unless I restore one then the costs likely go thru the roof, because I am not certified for that.
I could buy the $100k LSA (Yea right)
At least I will be able to fly the 701.
Happy Building all
Randall J Hebert
CH701 Tail Done working on the wings
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From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett Hanley
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:02 AM
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: LSA was for manufacturers and nobody else
This is my not so humble opinion of the Sport LSA rules.
The rule was pawned off on the EAA membership as allowing people to get licensed inexpensively and to allow aging pilots to continue to fly without a medical.
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Brett
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jmaynard
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Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: LSA was for manufacturers and nobody else |
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On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 09:54:33AM -0500, Randall J. Hebert wrote:
| Quote: | I could buy the $100k LSA (Yea right)
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I can, and am, although it's a little bit of a stretch for me. I'm not a
doctor or lawyer, either, just a mild-mannered (well, maybe not so mild)
computer consultant.
Owning my own plane is a dream I've had for 20 years. The LSA rule allows me
to do so, and fly it, even with some medical issues.
do not archive
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: LSA was for manufacturers and nobody else |
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Hi Brett,
I agree with much of your comment on Sport Pilot and LSA. However, I
think you don't give enough credit to the whole concept. It is true
the new rules promote lower cost entry for new pilots and new
manufacturing of factory planes in the Light Sport category. It is
not true that there are no FBOs with LSA for rent and they are
increasing rapidly.
In my area (loosely defined) there are now two Light Sport airplanes
for rent. There is an Ikarus an hour away and a Tecnam Bravo an hour
and a half away. I don't consider those distances convenient to
drive, but there weren't any a year ago. Perhaps there will be new
ones even closer in the next year.
It takes a long time for FBOs to change to new airplanes. They
generally don't buy the planes and put them on the flight line. It
is other people who buy them and then get tired of owning them and
paying all the freight while the plane sits in the hangar. They
discover the "Lease Back" arrangement with FBOs allows them to
recover much of their expenses without going through the hassle of
selling the plane. Since the LSA are so new there aren't many planes
that have fallen to that level yet.
For my whole flying lifetime the FAA has been interested in promoting
recreational flying. Alas, the first attempt done back in the '70s
was the ultralight movement. You didn't need a license for the plane
or the pilot and you could fly to your heart's content. That is
different from the Private to Commercial to ATP route designed with
professional pilots and commercial flying in mind. The down side of
the ultralight movement was the limits on the planes were so
restrictive they were not very safe and totally useless for anything
but local joy rides.
The Europeans came up with their own version of ultralights that bear
a strong resemblance to our new LSA. They have two seats and are
actually reasonably useful for non-commercial cross country
travel. Our new LSA are even better with higher weight and speed
restrictions. The Zodiac XL is one of the first models designed to
press the limits of this new type of plane. It goes faster than a
C-172 (the most successful/popular plane ever built) and can operate
from even shorter runways. While the weight limit means designs must
be more modern and efficient there is no restriction on fuel or
range. It may not be the same as flying in your little Lear jet, but
you can actually do some very significant cross country travel in
this kind of plane.
Yes, flying is expensive. This is true of Light Sport airplanes just
like it is for certified part 23 planes, but the LSA start at under
half the price of a part 23 plane. Eventually this will mean renters
as well as plane owners can do recreational flying (as opposed to
commercial flying) at a significant discount.
LSA also include several new designs which are not practical
airplanes but still present opportunities for recreational
flight. PPCs and Trikes offer many folks the opportunity to
fly with mostly local joy ride limits but for significantly less
money than even the lowly Champ or Cub cost.
I suppose it is a bit scary to consider the privileges a real Sport
Pilot gets with such a small amount of training and demonstrated
skill. I hope many of the folks who start with this route will move
on to higher skill levels if they find flying is something they want
to do for a long time. The new requirement for one hour of
instrument training is a good start. Perhaps the jump to a full
Private certificate is too big for many of them to take, but all the
time training and exercising their Sport Pilot privileges counts
toward higher licences too.
I am hopeful the new rules will re-energize the general aviation
community and get us flying around in modern and fun aircraft. It is
good for us and our communities to have aircraft and pilots
around. The old rules have been failing to keep the numbers up so
new ones really are good for us all.
We need to show a bit of patience to see how well it all works. I am hopeful.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 07:02 AM 4/16/2008, you wrote:
| Quote: | The rule was pawned off on the EAA membership as allowing people to
get licensed inexpensively and to allow aging pilots to continue to
fly without a medical.
In reality it was to allow LSA to be built and sold as completed aircraft
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