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ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
Posts: 723

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case closed.

Compare pictures 19 and 31 with picture 27 in the Yuba City accident. Look at the rear spar bolt hole. One's torn (19 and 31), and it appears as though the other is not (27). This would jive with what Mark Townsend said, that the rear spar bolts were missing, at least on of them anyway. It appears as though the one slid right out allowing the wing to flap around like crazy, leading the other wing to eventually get ripped out once things got interesting.



Picture 29 would have been a good comparison if that guy wasn't standing in the way. It sure looks like the rear spar attach in 27 in unscathed.



Why don't they post these pics on NTSB and let people think and see for themselves. What nanny-state.



Anybody can post anything they want on Youtube with practically no one's approval, and something like this, from an alleged public safety organization, gets buried. Ridiculous.

ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
Posts: 723

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case clos

After checking the NTSB, the only two accidents I feel that are unexplained are Oakdale, CA and Polk City FL.



If Yuba was no bolt, there's still no explanation for a wing fold after making a circling right in CA or some turns down in FL.



Texas, obviously the guy fly into IMC. England, going fast and pull up hard, yeah, your wings are going to come off.

dfmoeller

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 60
Location: Austin, TX

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case clos

Just asking, in all seriousness, because I've lost track; was the Spanish incident explained, or did that turn out not to be a wing fold?



Doug

ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case clos

I don't know. It's looking like this one may be solved. If someone can produce a photo of the other side of the attachment (the fuslage side) then I'd say this one is confired as far as no bolt. Certainly looks that way though.



 	  dfmoeller wrote: 	
		  Just asking, in all seriousness, because I've lost track; was the Spanish incident explained, or did that turn out not to be a wing fold?



Doug

William Dominguez

Joined: 09 Apr 2008
Posts: 118

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case closed.

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William Dominguez

Joined: 09 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case clos

 	  dfmoeller wrote: 	
		  Just asking, in all seriousness, because I've lost track; was the Spanish incident explained, or did that turn out not to be a wing fold?



Doug 	




I've been following the Spanish incident, there is no official report of probable cause yet but local news reported a witness who heard the sound of an explosion and when he looked up, he saw the plane falling with one wing folded.

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Iberplanes

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Posts: 174
Location: Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case closed.

Hi there,



I have seen the pictures of the spanish incident, and a partial report. 

Seems to be a match-case with this one. I also asked Gary and William to 

translate some parts into English.



Regarding the photos, still waiting authorization to publish on the site. 

Sorry on this.



talk to you soon,



Alberto Martin

Iberplanes IGL

http://www.iberplanes.es

Igualada - Barcelona - España



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ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: Re: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case clos

"Matched case" meaning what, that it appears as though there was no bolt in the rear spar?



I guess anything is possible, maybe whoever installed the wings got so engrossed for 3 hours after struggling with the main bolts that they were like "whew, finally done with that" and then strolled out of the hanger forgetting to put the rear bolts in? I could see that happenning. It's not like you can readily see the rear bolt, you get the mains on and then it looks like it's installed, take a break and come back and forgot you never finished the job.



 	  Iberplanes wrote: 	
		  Hi there,



I have seen the pictures of the spanish incident, and a partial report. 

Seems to be a match-case with this one. I also asked Gary and William to 

translate some parts into English.



Regarding the photos, still waiting authorization to publish on the site. 

Sorry on this.



talk to you soon,



Alberto Martin

Iberplanes IGL

http://www.iberplanes.es

Igualada - Barcelona - Españ¡Š

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Iberplanes

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Posts: 174
Location: Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case closed.

no, it was flying ok, Then a witness saw the plane folding both wings, 

another one heard a noise and when it looked up saw the plane like the other 

witness..



I´ve asked Gary and William to translate something in English. Please, wait 

until I get that done. I will publish photos as soon as I get the photo 

release.



Alberto Martin

Iberplanes IGL

http://www.iberplanes.es

Igualada - Barcelona - España



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601 XL - Jabiru 3300
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William Dominguez

Joined: 09 Apr 2008
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: As far as Yuba City, I'm almost willing to say case closed.

Thanks Alberto,

   

  Yes, I received Alberto's email with the preliminary report regarding the accident in Barcelona. I'm currently on vacation and I'm not checking my emails as regularly as I tipically do but looking forward to do a thorough translation during this week. In the meantime I can advance you that the report include the accounts of 2 separate witnesses. One saw the plane comming down with a folded wing, the other saw the moment when the wing folded up, breaking the canopy (the investigators found pieces of plexiglass over a 300 meters radio).

   

  William Dominguez

  Zodiac 601XL Plans

  Miami Florida

  http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom

   

  

Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Iberplanes IGL" 



no, it was flying ok, Then a witness saw the plane folding both wings, 

another one heard a noise and when it looked up saw the plane like the other 

witness..



I´ve asked Gary and William to translate something in English. Please, wait 

until I get that done. I will publish photos as soon as I get the photo 

release.



Alberto Martin

Iberplanes IGL

http://www.iberplanes.es

Igualada - Barcelona - España



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Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom

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