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jgswartout(at)earthlink.n
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

Does anyone have a nice, elegant method for mounting on a flat surface the in-line automotive-type fuse-holder sold by B&C?  It has no built-in mounting tab or any such thing.



Thanks.

rshannon

Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:43 PM, John Swartout <jgswartout(at)earthlink.net (jgswartout(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:

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 Does anyone have a nice, elegant method for mounting on a flat surface the in-line automotive-type fuse-holder sold by B&C?  It has no built-in mounting tab or any such thing.

 	




If you're referring to B&C's "HFB" inline yellow fuse holder, an MS21919-WDG11 "Adel" clamp works well -- nice and snug --on the one end where there's space for it.

 

 Ron

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rshannon

Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Ron Shannon <rshannon(at)cruzcom.com (rshannon(at)cruzcom.com)> wrote:

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		   On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:43 PM, John Swartout <jgswartout(at)earthlink.net (jgswartout(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:

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		    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Swartout <jgswartout(at)earthlink.net (jgswartout(at)earthlink.net)>

 

 

 Does anyone have a nice, elegant method for mounting on a flat surface the in-line automotive-type fuse-holder sold by B&C?  It has no built-in mounting tab or any such thing.

 	


If you're referring to B&C's "HFB" inline yellow fuse holder, an MS21919-WDG11 "Adel" clamp works well -- nice and snug --on the one end where there's space for it.

 

 Ron

 	




You're probably referring instead to the black blade-style fuse holder (IFH-2) though. You can put a black cable "zip" tie around the base (circle parallel to the wire) attached to a stick-on nylon zip tie holder. The holder will keep it off the surface a bit which aids access to the fuse. Not super "elegant", but it works.

 

Ron



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jim jewell

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 82
Location: Kelowna B.C. Canada

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

John,



The Buss fuse holders that I used had recessed holes suitable for number 8 

machine screws. The local hardware store aircraft section supplied screws of 

correct length.



Jim in Kelowna



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longg(at)pjm.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: Mechanical question

The simple and elegant solution is to use a dab of epoxy. I will stick

to anything. Position the holder such that you can get the top off to

service the fuse. If you want to buy something take a look at click-bond

products. They have a fastener for everything you could ever want to tie

down in your airplane. Warning - they are not exactly cheap.



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jgswartout(at)earthlink.n
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

I'll take a look at the Click Bond website.  I see you have to register (Grrrrrrr!!!!) to look at their products.  Thanks for the tip.  I have a hunch I'll wish I'd known about them about 3,000 hours of airplane-building ago.



John



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rshannon

Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: Mechanical question

FWIW - I'm a big Click Bond fan, and have used several of their products extensively in my project. The retail source in the US is http://theflightshop.com, and you don't have to register before looking. Very helpful and knowledgeable folks there. Email me off list if I can help in any way.

 

Ron

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On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:39 PM, John Swartout <jgswartout(at)earthlink.net (jgswartout(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Swartout <jgswartout(at)earthlink.net (jgswartout(at)earthlink.net)>

  

 I'll take a look at the Click Bond website.  I see you have to register (Grrrrrrr!!!!) to look at their products.  Thanks for the tip.  I have a hunch I'll wish I'd known about them about 3,000 hours of airplane-building ago.

  

 John

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Speedy11(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I  find their products not suitable for aviation.  I have used their nutplates  and ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in my  airplane.  Their adhesive does not adhere well.  For example, of the  nutplates I installed (about 40), half came loose.  Perhaps I didn't do a  good job of applying the adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 of  them.  The reasons I don't like using Click-Bond nutplates is  because:

 1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult  to access.  When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you  cannot remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the  screw.  The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus  they can spin in a small space.  If the nutplate location is not  accessable, you have to cut through panels to get to it.

 2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or  falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane to get  jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc.

 Ask me how I've learned these things.

 Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products.  I  didn't give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same  aggravations and fears I did.  I use only normal nutplates or screws with  nuts.

 Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not  satisfied with them and cannot recommend them.

 Stan Sutterfield

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		  I'll    take a look at the Click Bond website.  I see you have to register    (Grrrrrrr!!!!)

to look at their products.  Thanks for the tip.  I    have a hunch I'll wish

I'd known about them about 3,000 hours of    airplane-building ago. 	


 

  



Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.

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rshannon

Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

I have installed at least 200 Click Bond fasteners, including nutplates from #6 to -4's, studs, zip tie anchors, etc. Only one didn't cure properly, because I used old adhesive (way beyond marked expiration) which I kind of knew going on didn't seem right. It was easy to replace. I have taken screws in and out of many of these many times. They're rock solid.

 

With easy proper prep, I've never had a problem. I don't understand how you could possibly have had such bad luck, but am sorry to hear it.



Ron

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:25 PM,  <Speedy11(at)aol.com (Speedy11(at)aol.com)> wrote:

 [quote]      Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I  find their products not suitable for aviation.  I have used their nutplates  and ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in my  airplane.  Their adhesive does not adhere well.  For example, of the  nutplates I installed (about 40), half came loose.  Perhaps I didn't do a  good job of applying the adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 of  them.  The reasons I don't like using Click-Bond nutplates is  because:

 1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult  to access.  When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you  cannot remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the  screw.  The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus  they can spin in a small space.  If the nutplate location is not  accessable, you have to cut through panels to get to it.

 2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or  falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane to get  jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc.

 Ask me how I've learned these things.

 Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products.  I  didn't give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same  aggravations and fears I did.  I use only normal nutplates or screws with  nuts.

 Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not  satisfied with them and cannot recommend them.

 Stan Sutterfield

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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

At 10:25 PM 4/26/2008 -0400, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I 

find their products not suitable for aviation.  I have used their 

nutplates and ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in 

my airplane.  Their adhesive does not adhere well.  For example, of the 

nutplates I installed (about 40), half came loose.  Perhaps I didn't do a 

good job of applying the adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 

of them.  The reasons I don't like using Click-Bond nutplates is because:

1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult 

to access.  When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you 

cannot remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the 

screw.  The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus 

they can spin in a small space.  If the nutplate location is not 

accessable, you have to cut through panels to get to it.

2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or 

falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane 

to get jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc.

Ask me how I've learned these things.

Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products.  I didn't 

give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same 

aggravations and fears I did.  I use only normal nutplates or screws with nuts.

Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not 

satisfied with them and cannot recommend them.\


	




   It would be useful to know how the system is failing you.

   They're used all over the airplanes at Hawker-Beech.

   I've never installed any personally but many folks I work

   around have used them.



   I will note that the only airplanes/places I specifically

   recall their use is on the composite surfaces of structure

   and fuselage. It may be that the recommended adhesive for

   aluminum surfaces is different. I wish you hadn't pitched

   the surplus, it would have been an interesting experiment

   to see what was happening.



   Bob . . .

tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Mechanical question

I add my data point on them. Not to be contrary, but I have never had one come off and indeed when I have misplaced one I found it very difficult to remove. I wonder Stan, what kind of surface you were adhering to? Boeing, Lockheed and Airbus use them, can’t be all that bad.  

Tim Andres  

         

  

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Speedy11(at)aol.com

 Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:26 PM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Mechanical question  

  

       

Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I find their products not suitable for aviation.  I have used their nutplates and ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in my airplane.  Their adhesive does not adhere well.  For example, of the nutplates I installed (about 40), half came loose.  Perhaps I didn't do a good job of applying the adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 of them.  The reasons I don't like using Click-Bond nutplates is because:  

    

1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult to access.  When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you cannot remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the screw.  The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus they can spin in a small space.  If the nutplate location is not accessable, you have to cut through panels to get to it.  

    

2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane to get jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc.  

    

Ask me how I've learned these things.  

    

Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products.  I didn't give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same aggravations and fears I did.  I use only normal nutplates or screws with nuts.  

    

Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not satisfied with them and cannot recommend them.  

    

Stan Sutterfield  

    

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I'll take a look at the Click Bond website.  I see you have to register (Grrrrrrr!!!!)

 to look at their products.  Thanks for the tip.  I have a hunch I'll wish

 I'd known about them about 3,000 hours of airplane-building ago.  	
  

    

   

  



 

         

  

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bakerocb

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 727
Location: FAIRFAX VA

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Mechanical question

4/27/2008



Hello Stan, Take a look at Perforated Base Binding Nuts and Studs on page 

3120 of the



http://www.mcmaster.com/



online catalog as alternatives to both Click Bond and EZ-Point hardware.

'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and 

understand knowledge."



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Time: 07:30:10 PM PST US

From: Speedy11(at)aol.com

Subject: Re: Mechanical question

Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I 

find

their products not suitable for aviation.  I have used their nutplates  and

ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in my  airplane. 

Their



adhesive does not adhere well.  For example, of the  nutplates I installed

(about 40), half came loose.  Perhaps I didn't do a  good job of applying 

the

adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 of  them.  The reasons I 

don't



like using Click-Bond nutplates is  because:

1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult 

to

access.  When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you  cannot

remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the  screw.

The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus  they can 

spin



in a small space.  If the nutplate location is not  accessable, you have to

cut through panels to get to it.

2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or

falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane to 

get



jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc.

Ask me how I've learned these things.

Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products.  I  didn't

give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same

aggravations and fears I did.  I use only normal nutplates or screws with 

nuts.

Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not

satisfied with them and cannot recommend them.

Stan Sutterfield

Speedy11(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

Very Cool!  Thanks for pointing them out to me.

 Stan

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		  Take a    look at Perforated Base Binding Nuts and Studs on page 

3120 of    the



http://www.mcmaster.com 	


 

  



Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.

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Speedy11(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Mechanical question

Considering how many people have had success with them, the fault obviously  lies with me.

 I was adhering to bare aluminum.

 I have already switched to all normal riveted nutplates and I'm very happy  with them.

 Stan Sutterfield

  

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		  I add my    data point on them. Not to be contrary, but I have never had one

come off    and indeed when I have misplaced one I found it very difficult to

remove. I    wonder Stan, what kind of surface you were adhering to? Boeing,

Lockheed    and Airbus use them, can't be all that bad.



Tim  Andres 	


 

  



Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.

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