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dbinokc

Joined: 05 May 2008
Posts: 5

Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Basic questions

I have been considering building a kitplane. I have read up on the RV7 and the CH701. Obviously both are very different aircraft, but each has its advantages and disadvantages.



One thing I have not been able to find is how many hours it is taking people to go from parts or sheet metal  to the first flight for a 701. On the zenth site they say 400 hours, but then I found one post saying it took 2650 hours. 



Can others who have finished 701's say how many hours build time was needed to complete the project. 



If there is an FAQ to answer this and other newbie questions, just point me to the URL. I was unable to find one.

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: Basic questions

1100 hrs for me including paint and some mods. This was a first time  build.

  

 Bob Spudis

 N701ZX  CH701/912S  145 hrs

  

  

  

  

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I have been considering building a    kitplane. I have read up on the RV7 and the CH701. Obviously both are very    different aircraft, but each has its advantages and disadvantages.



One    thing I have not been able to find is how many hours it is taking people to go    from parts or sheet metal  to the first flight for a 701. On the zenth    site they say 400 hours, but then I found one post saying it took 2650 hours.    



Can others who have finished 701's say how many hours build time was    needed to complete the project. 



If there is an FAQ to answer this and    other newbie questions, just point me to the URL. I was unable to find    one.



	


 

  



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dougsnash

Joined: 14 Apr 2008
Posts: 281

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: Basic questions

I am still building so my numbers are only an

estimate.  Also, I'm scratch building rather than from

a kit so that also changes things.  



So far I have around 1050 hours of building.  I have

my fuselage built on the gear, wigs about 3/4 done,

electrical system is mostly complete, slats mostly

complete, tail feathers mostly comlete but not yet

mounted, and most of my engine installation is done.



I figure that I will be fairly close to the 1500 hr

point that was suggested for scratch building once I

am done.  I am a first time builder but I do have some

aviation background so I am not a complete newbie.



I'm guessing that the guys at the Zenith factory can

likely put together a 701 firwall back in 400 hrs but

I'd guess that the average builder is going to take a

little longer.  And remember that the time estimate

does not include the engine installation.  That could

likely take a couple of hundred hours too.



Hope this helps



Doug MacDonald

CH-701 Scartch Builder

NW Ontario, Canada



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 I have been considering building a kitplane. I have

 read up on the RV7 and the CH701. Obviously both are

 very different aircraft, but each has its advantages

 and disadvantages.

 

 One thing I have not been able to find is how many

 hours it is taking people to go from parts or sheet

 metal  to the first flight for a 701. On the zenth

 site they say 400 hours, but then I found one post

 saying it took 2650 hours. 

 

 Can others who have finished 701's say how many

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dbinokc

Joined: 05 May 2008
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: Re: Basic questions

I have been considering the scratch built route as well. It is one of the reasons I am considering the 701. 



 Up to the point of having fabricated the parts, what takes up the most time other than thinking. My thought would be drilling all the holes, but perhaps it is something else.

John75142

Joined: 05 Dec 2007
Posts: 56
Location: Kaufman, TX

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: Basic questions

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I have about 350 hours in so far and have the fuse near completion firewall 

back. 1 wing is 3/4 done, all the tail is done but not mounted and have 1 

slat, 1 aileron complete plus a pile of parts made. As I was making parts 

for 1 wing I went ahead and made the counter parts for the other wing, so 

the 2nd wing should go pretty quick.



I am a first time builder although I did have some of the tools needed like 

a shear and break which does speed up the process.



John (Scratch building 701)

Kaufman, Tx

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John Bolding

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 281

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: Basic questions

It took me about a month to build the "kit",  I cheat however as this is my 

4th airplane.  got all the stuff, space, tools,time, etc.  It took 2 days to 

build all the form blocks,  I guess that was the single most time consuming 

event. A month of time to save $8K plus or minus is pretty good wages. 

Getting things lined up and prepared TO drill the holes is a LOT more time 

consuming than the actual event itself.



I've been flying the test time off a buddies 701/subie and it's a hoot to 

fly. I've got about 150' of backyard before I get to the runway and have 

taken off from there. The 701will be my "keeper" airplane.

Welcome to the group.

John



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n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Basic questions

Are you single, with a fair amount of money and technically competent?



OR do you have a wife and kids and just starting out?



These kind of things can make 1000+ hour difference is build time.



I find having built and flying one, that I enjoy building so much I 

tend to not fly so much because I enjoy being in the shop more than

the sky. Consequently I don't bother counting hours anymore.



If you just want the end result to fly, then consider just buying as

the building process will make you essentially a non-flier for a good

amount of time. AT least in my opinion.



Regards,

Jeff



Flying plane no.1 Kitfox 5 W/IO-240

Building plane no. 2 CH801

dwilde(at)clearwire.net
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: Basic questions

dbinokc wrote:

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		   Can others who have finished 701's say how many hours build time was needed to complete the project. 



 If there is an FAQ to answer this and other newbie questions, just point me to the URL. I was unable to find one.





 I built my 701 from a kit and it took about 1200 hours including firewall forward and I am now flying.  Total time was 18 months but there was at least three months of that waiting for parts.  



 Dan Wilde

ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: Basic questions

We built ours in about 1,200 hrs  (actual work, not talking, eating, etc),  hours used on building  depends a lot in  detail in work  (parts finishing,  like rounding the corners of the parts, painting the outside, painting the inside of the cabin area,  instruments and avionics installed, upholstery, etc.)   I think a good building time for the 701 is 1,000 hrs,  the more hours go to details,  a spartan built might take 800 or less hours.

   

  I think our 701 came out fine and pretty ,  we hear good comments from other pilots in fly ins,  not a show plane but just taking care of the details.   

   

  We count the hours invested per person actualy working on the project.  normally we worked in teams of two  (Dad and my Brother)  (my Son and Myself)  if we worked 3 hours a given day, the total for the  day were 12 hrs.

   

  When working in odd teams   (3 or 5 of us)  One was in charge of getting the next parts ready, reading and double checking the plans and manual, and handing the next tool to be used.

   

  We are using the same way now  with the 601 XL,   has worked great for us.

   

  Note:  Friends and visitors take a lot of time off,  but is rewarding when you get at least one of them interested in building or flying.

   

  Saludos

  Gary Gower

  Flying from Chapala, Mexico.

  701 912S   183 hrs

  Building a 601 XL

  



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