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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: Cancelled - 2008 Cameron Park Fly-in

Posted for: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>



It is with real regret that Kay and I are cancelling the 2008 (what 

would have been the tenth annual) Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ.  The 

problem? California's litigious climate and other factors.  Thanks to 

the Arlington jury award of several years ago.  Insurance is simply 

not available and the new trend is for medical insurers to go after 

hosts of events for cost reimbursements in the case of illness or 

injury.  We have not worried about our friends, but we worry greatly 

about third parties with financial considerations dictated by CFOs 

and Corporate attorneys (Not guys and gals with Kitfoxes with big 

grins on their faces).



We are sad.  We have many fond memories of the good times and good 

folks we have met who have become good friends over the 

years.  Golden West has approached us in the past and encouraged us 

to use their venue for our event.  That may work in the future if 

there is sufficient interest, but definitely not this year.



Our sincere apologies for the late announcement, but we have been 

beating the bushes and hoping and have simply run out of time.



Lowell and Kay Fitt

Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: Cancelled - 2008 Cameron Park Fly-in

Sorry to hear that, Lowell and Kay, via Guy. But I understand about  

the "litigious climate." We'll just have to think of other ways to  

get together....Oshkosh comes to mind....



Lynn

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On May 9, 2008, at 1:33 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:



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 Posted for: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>



 It is with real regret that Kay and I are cancelling the 2008 (what  

 would have been the tenth annual) Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ.  The  

 problem? California's litigious climate and other factors.  Thanks  

 to the Arlington jury award of several years ago.  Insurance is  

 simply not available and the new trend is for medical insurers to  

 go after hosts of events for cost reimbursements in the case of  

 illness or injury.  We have not worried about our friends, but we  

 worry greatly about third parties with financial considerations  

 dictated by CFOs and Corporate attorneys (Not guys and gals with  

 Kitfoxes with big grins on their faces).



 We are sad.  We have many fond memories of the good times and good  

 folks we have met who have become good friends over the years.   

 Golden West has approached us in the past and encouraged us to use  

 their venue for our event.  That may work in the future if there is  

 sufficient interest, but definitely not this year.



 Our sincere apologies for the late announcement, but we have been  

 beating the bushes and hoping and have simply run out of time.



 Lowell and Kay Fitt

 Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: Cancelled - 2008 Cameron Park Fly-in

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		   From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt(at)jps.net]

 Sorry to hear that, Lowell and Kay, via Guy.


	


Please also convey my best sympathy to Lowell and Kay, Guy. I have been thinking about them lately and wished to have some news. I understand perfectly their situation and if I was to end in such a situation they are, I don't know if I would have enough energy to continue thinking of a Kitfox. Perhaps time will arrange things. Right now, I am thinking to put my life long sailing experience behind me and that's hard enough.



Best regards,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: Cancelled - 2008 Cameron Park Fly-in

It is sad to hear that your event has been canceled.  Another option you

might consider for next year is to team up with an EAA chapter as the EAA

will cover the insurance.  There are some rules to follow but for the

insurance it is a really good tradeoff .



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darinh

Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 327
Location: Utah

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Cancelled - 2008 Cameron Park Fly-in

Final Stats: for the Labor Day Fly-in

Lynn,



Another great opportunity for us Kitfox guys to get together is at the Factory fly-in in September.  Seems an ideal place for a bunch of Kitfox guys to enjoy the atmosphere, share stories and have a good time.  I posted the details from last years fly-in below.  This was the first year for the fly-in so it should only get larger.



40 Aircraft total

33  Kitfox's

over 80 people

2 new Airworthiness inspections - Tom Wolfe and Mark Smith

2 First Flights - Tom Wolfe and Mark Smith

Kitfoxer's from UK and Russia were here.

Farthest flown Kitfox was Rocky & Denise Whitman from Wimberley Texas.. approximately 50 miles SSE of Austin Texas.



My 7 should be flying by then so I am planning on attending.  I would be nice to start putting names to faces.

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Kaysville, Utah

peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Cancelled - 2008 Cameron Park Fly-in

What if a bunch of us just decided as individuals to show up to Cameron on 

the same day.  Would there be liability issues that way?



Pete

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Rex Hefferan

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 147
Location: Olney Springs, Colorado USA "NOT a Kitpig"

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Cancelled - 2008 Cameron Park Fly-in

I would not likely have made it anyway, but I understand the insurance 

problem. I was once part of a loose group of dual sport motorcyclists 

who got together in Moab every year to meet, ride and BS over 3-4 days. 

In a few years it built into a group of over 40 participants and we had 

organized it into an event with catered dinners and prize giveaways. 

There was a small local motorcycle shop run by a single owner/employee 

who was on our email group and supported the event.  Since we were 

riding in groups to different trails on National park land the Park 

Service became aware and contacted the organizer with the requirement of 

event insurance costing over $2000. This whole thing is much like our 

Kitfox group. We had no organization, no elected leaders or any kind of 

dues. It's just an email group so we had no funds to support insurance 

plus it just wasn't worth the insurance cost since there was no profit 

to cover that expense. What we did was lower our profile and not have 

more than about 6 bikes ride together through the Park gates at one time.



 It's sad that this sort of thing can spoil a gathering, but I think it 

can be done with another approach to the way the event is put together. 

Maybe like Pete suggests a bunch just happened to show up the same day. 

What were the odds? 



-- 

Rex Hefferan

SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs



Guy Buchanan wrote:



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 Posted for: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>



 It is with real regret that Kay and I are cancelling the 2008 (what 

 would have been the tenth annual) Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ.  The problem? 

 California's litigious climate and other factors.  Thanks to the 

 Arlington jury award of several years ago.  Insurance is simply not 

 available and the new trend is for medical insurers to go after hosts 

 of events for cost reimbursements in the case of illness or injury.  

 We have not worried about our friends, but we worry greatly about 

 third parties with financial considerations dictated by CFOs and 

 Corporate attorneys (Not guys and gals with Kitfoxes with big grins on 

 their faces).



 We are sad.  We have many fond memories of the good times and good 

 folks we have met who have become good friends over the years.  Golden 

 West has approached us in the past and encouraged us to use their 

 venue for our event.  That may work in the future if there is 

 sufficient interest, but definitely not this year.



 Our sincere apologies for the late announcement, but we have been 

 beating the bushes and hoping and have simply run out of time.



 Lowell and Kay Fitt

 Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Rex
N740GP - M2/582
Colorado

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: Cancelled - 2008 Cameron Park Fly-in

Good post Rex.  Lots of stuff to think about.  Too bad about Lowell's flyin 

though.  I'm on the wrong end of the country so I was unable to attend any 

of them, but it's still a loss to me knowing that it won't be there anymore, 

nor will I be able to read all the emails about how it went, and also the 

photos of those who attended.  I do understand Lowell's predicament though. 

It gets to where you're almost afraid to let someone drive into your 

driveway anymore.  Damn shame.

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT

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- Joseph Joubert

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