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icubob(at)newnorth.net
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: gps

hi all,

  i guess i am finally ready time to buy a gps.  i have played with them in the woods since 1990 and i have spent a lot of time  comparing and looking. for the past 3 yrs. i have been watching the lowrance  2000 and it will do buckets more than i want for vfr. the black and white #1000  has the same info but a comparison in the bright sun makes the choice easy. the  display is pretty good size, one of its strongest selling points to  me.

 anyway,,,,,,,,,,, i check on it occasionally and  have seen the price climb to $799 last summer. still no doubt i would buy it. my  latest price checking turns up the cheapest vendor at $589 and no shipping  charges! i even called the vendor to find out lowrances strategy to compete is  to lower the price rather than raise the technology. i am just giving a heads up  because this color, moving map gps is such a deal at under $600 for my vfr  needs. check one out!

                                                                   bob noffs

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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: gps

I bought a GARMIN GPSMap 195 on  Barnstormers for $150.  That's all I need.

  

 Pete

  

 PS. But I'm  cheap

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Sbennett3(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: gps

I bought a panel mount and a Garmin 396 with  onboard weather so I can stay vfr... I flew into a thunderstorm back in my  ultralight days and swore then that if they ever came out with affordable  onboard weather I was gonna get it. Steve  Bennett



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shinco(at)bright.net
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: gps

bob noffs wrote:

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		   hi all,

  i guess i am finally ready time to buy a gps. i have played with them 

 in the woods since 1990 and i have spent a lot of time comparing and 

 looking. for the past 3 yrs. i have been watching the lowrance 2000 

 and it will do buckets more than i want for vfr. the black and white 

 #1000 has the same info but a comparison in the bright sun makes the 

 choice easy. the display is pretty good size, one of its strongest 

 selling points to me.

 anyway,,,,,,,,,,, i check on it occasionally and have seen the price 

 climb to $799 last summer. still no doubt i would buy it. my latest 

 price checking turns up the cheapest vendor at $589 and no shipping 

 charges! i even called the vendor to find out lowrances strategy to 

 compete is to lower the price rather than raise the technology. i am 

 just giving a heads up because this color, moving map gps is such a 

 deal at under $600 for my vfr needs. check one out!

                                                                  bob noffs

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Garmin 296  is the best.,,the Airmap  GPS,,is too big takes alot of 
	


space up,,and hard to hold while U fly..GARMIN 296 for $1195.00...may be 

a little more.but a better GPS for the money...STEVE SHINABERY  N554KF  

KF2...

icubob(at)newnorth.net
Guest

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: gps

steve, picture the airmap 2000 as a flush panel  mount. i have seen the modification and it is slick. nothing to hold, no exposed  wires. everyone has their favorites, i just wanted to give a heads up to anyone  interested.

                                                                                            bob noffs

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shinco(at)bright.net
Guest

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: gps

bob noffs wrote:

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		   steve, picture the airmap 2000 as a flush panel mount. i have seen the 

 modification and it is slick. nothing to hold, no exposed wires. 

 everyone has their favorites, i just wanted to give a heads up to 

 anyone interested.

                                                                                           

 bob noffs

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Hi Bob,yes every one has there Favorites..a friend of mine has a Airmap 
	


2000.he does not have the room to mount panel.it is just too big,,he saw 

my Garmin 296.that I have in my kitfox 2..and he sold his Airmap and 

bought a 296..for the same reason.the 296 does not take much room on the 

panel.and you can mount it all most any where.does not take much room..I 

too looked at the Airmap,but went with the 296,because of its size and 

features..I know the my KF just does not have the room for the airmap.I 

have a full panel,and needed some thing that would not take up so much 

space.But then again every one has there favorites..and that is why I 

went with the 296..  STEVE SHINABERY  N554KF  KF2

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: Re: gps

I have a Garmin 196.  Works great ,  simple  and cheap 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Garmin-196-GPS_W0QQitemZ260237011398QQihZ016QQcategoryZ84075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



You can buy used for usually about 400$ or so. or new for 799$

If it dies Garmin charges 200$ and they repair of replace it. Good deal imo.



If you want the aviation databases they go with a 196 over a 195. All your airport data is right there. 



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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: gps

I have a Garmin 196, much like the 296, except it's monochrome.  Rather than 

try to mount it on the panel where it takes up space, I used the yoke mount 

and mounted it on the stick.  It sits nicely between my legs high above my 

knees, doesn't contact anything, easy to see, and best of all, if I decide 

to upgrade to something else, nothing is permanent.  It's also very simple 

to pop it out and take it with me when I leave the airplane parked on the 

ramp.



My advice to anyone planning to permanently install a GPS in the panel is to 

rethink it.  The technology changes as fast a home computers and once you 

cut that hole you're stuck with it.  There are lots of ways to mount it 

without having to cut holes.



Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT

"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."

- Joseph Joubert



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		  >

> Checked by AVG.

 Hi Bob,yes every one has there Favorites..a friend of mine has a Airmap 

 2000.he does not have the room to mount panel.it is just too big,,he saw 

 my Garmin 296.that I have in my kitfox 2..and he sold his Airmap and 

 bought a 296..for the same reason.the 296 does not take much room on the 

 panel.and you can mount it all most any where.does not take much room..I 

 too looked at the Airmap,but went with the 296,because of its size and 

 features..I know the my KF just does not have the room for the airmap.I 

 have a full panel,and needed some thing that would not take up so much 

 space.But then again every one has there favorites..and that is why I went 

 with the 296..  STEVE SHINABERY  N554KF  KF2

SkySteve

Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Posts: 94
Location: Huntsville, UT

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:54 am Post subject: Re: gps

Bob,

I am also planning on purchasing a Lowrance 2000c.  Sporty's has it for $599.  Who has it for $589 including shipping?

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Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel

icubob(at)newnorth.net
Guest

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: gps

hi steve,

  go to www.pilotshop.com

                                                   bob noffs



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: Re: gps

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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: Re: gps

Garmin 196 new   695 $ 



http://www.canada-shops.com/Stores/vippilotcenter/c26848.2.html

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: gps

At 05:42 AM 5/11/2008, fox5flyer wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  My advice to anyone planning to permanently install a GPS in the 

panel is to rethink it.  The technology changes as fast a home 

computers and once you cut that hole you're stuck with it.  There 

are lots of ways to mount it without having to cut holes.


	


         Are you a techno-junkie Deke?  Actually this is a really 

good argument for modular face plates on panels. Those of you who are 

building should consider making the entire face of the panel modular 

and replaceable so you can have things neatly in the panel, but 

change with technology. I prefer stuff in the panel, but 

unfortunately my panel is not modular, so I'm stuck with it until a 

major re-fit. At that time I'll modify it to be modular. Fortunately 

I don't care much about new stuff since my needs are really simple. 

(VFR + basic GPS + music. And I mostly care about the music. TGFIpod.)

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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kcflys

Joined: 28 Aug 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Rancho Cordova, CA

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: gps

Guy,



When I get there (re-fit) where would I look for modular info.



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Keith C.

Mod IV 912 IVO

Mather (MHR) CA



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		           Are you a techno-junkie Deke?  Actually this is a really 

 good argument for modular face plates on panels. Those of you who are 

 building should consider making the entire face of the panel modular 

 and replaceable so you can have things neatly in the panel, but 

 change with technology. I prefer stuff in the panel, but 

 unfortunately my panel is not modular, so I'm stuck with it until a 

 major re-fit. At that time I'll modify it to be modular. Fortunately 

 I don't care much about new stuff since my needs are really simple. 

 (VFR + basic GPS + music. And I mostly care about the music. TGFIpod.)

 

 

 Guy Buchanan

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: gps

I mounted my 296 in the quick-release mount that came with the unit.  

I built a bracket that adapts the quick-release mount to the panel.  

It stands just off the panel, so there is no need to cut the panel.  

Any future updating will simply require a new bracket.

Lynn Matteson

On May 11, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 At 05:42 AM 5/11/2008, fox5flyer wrote:

> My advice to anyone planning to permanently install a GPS in the  

> panel is to rethink it.  The technology changes as fast a home  

> computers and once you cut that hole you're stuck with it.  There  

> are lots of ways to mount it without having to cut holes.

         Are you a techno-junkie Deke?  Actually this is a really  

 good argument for modular face plates on panels. Those of you who  

 are building should consider making the entire face of the panel  

 modular and replaceable so you can have things neatly in the panel,  

 but change with technology. I prefer stuff in the panel, but  

 unfortunately my panel is not modular, so I'm stuck with it until a  

 major re-fit. At that time I'll modify it to be modular.  

 Fortunately I don't care much about new stuff since my needs are  

 really simple. (VFR + basic GPS + music. And I mostly care about  

 the music. TGFIpod.)

 Guy Buchanan

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
Guest

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: gps

I think that cutting a hole in the panel for a custom mount is ok, But I would make it square and standard size and then make an adapter to fit the GPS that way you, or some one else could change units.  Clint

[quote] Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:00:40 -0700

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com; kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 From: bnn(at)nethere.com

 Subject: Re: Re: gps

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com>

 At 05:42 AM 5/11/2008, fox5flyer wrote:

 >My advice to anyone planning to permanently install a GPS in the 

 >panel is to rethink it. The technology changes as fast a home 

 >computers and once you cut that hole you're stuck with it. There 

 >are lots of ways to mount it without having to cut holes.

 Are you a techno-junkie Deke?  Actually this is a really 

 good argument for modular face plates on panels. Those of you who are 

 building should consider making the entire face of the panel modular 

 and replaceable so you can have things neatly in the panel, but 

 change with technology. I prefer stuff in the panel, but 

 unfortunately my panel is not modular, so I'm stuck with it until a 

 major re-fit. At that time I'll modify it to be modular. Fortunately 

 I don't care much about new stuff since my needs are really simple. 

 (VFR + basic GPS + music. And I mostly care about the music. TGFIpod.)

 Guy Buchanan

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks=======

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icubob(at)newnorth.net
Guest

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: gps

hi lynn,

  those quick release panel mounts are a slick  way to go. if redoing a panel for a new gps were a problem i would go with the  bracket you talk about. as it is my panel has everything [ engine monitor,  flight instruments switches , etc]  but the transponder on the left 18  inches. i made the panel removeable and in 4 pieces so a new gps would require a  piece of panel i could make in probably 2 hours. the pilot side is a  different matter, it would take several days of layout and a hundred holes to  drill. the fisher dakota hawk is blessed with a lot of panel space.

  i just looked and i have your address,  probably from the jab list. i will send you a pic. 

                                      bob noffs 

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Jim Shumaker

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 106

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: gps

I just flew with a low end monochrome Lowrance and found it was very BAD.  It popped up warnings every time I turned the plane (you are approaching Monterey airspace).  The warning was right the center of the moving map.  A moving map that is default north up and knots (with no label to tell if it is knots or mph) and no way to change the start up defaults.  Was more of a distraction than a help.

  

 For the same money you can get Anywhere map loaded on a PDA that is brilliant color, daylight readable and loads of excellent features.  Anywhere map is not as solidly reliable and easy to use a the Garmin 296, but GPS is definitely a place where you get what you pay for.

  

 Jim Shumaker

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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: gps

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		   From: Clint Bazzill [clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.com]

 My advice to anyone planning to permanently install a GPS in the

 panel is to rethink it. The technology changes as fast a home

 computers and once you cut that hole you're stuck with it.


	


I agree 100%. During the five years I've had my Kitfox, I have changed for three different hardware. I have a hole big enough to have a power cable through it, then four holes in which I screw homemade aluminium adaptors that match the supporting bracket of the device.



Here is how my latest Mio PND looks like:

http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/PocketFMS/Mio.jpg



Cheers,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

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pwmac(at)sisna.com
Guest

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: gps

And if you do not like that mount, "RAM" makes universal mounts the 

will work any situation.  I like the gps very close by to allow ease 

of reading and ease of control.  The are ball joint adjustable and 

the one I use allows the gps to snap in and out.

Here is an example 

http://www.gpszone.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=RMGUB138GA7

However your imagination allows nearly unlimited variations. Like 

suction cups and longer arms and dual ball joints, etc..

PW

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At 09:58 AM 5/11/2008, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

I mounted my 296 in the quick-release mount that came with the unit.

I built a bracket that adapts the quick-release mount to the panel.

It stands just off the panel, so there is no need to cut the panel.

Any future updating will simply require a new bracket.

Lynn Matteson

On May 11, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:

>

>

>At 05:42 AM 5/11/2008, fox5flyer wrote:

>>My advice to anyone planning to permanently install a GPS in the

>>panel is to rethink it.  The technology changes as fast a home

>>computers and once you cut that hole you're stuck with it.  There

>>are lots of ways to mount it without having to cut holes.

>

>         Are you a techno-junkie Deke?  Actually this is a really

>good argument for modular face plates on panels. Those of you who

>are building should consider making the entire face of the panel

>modular and replaceable so you can have things neatly in the panel,

>but change with technology. I prefer stuff in the panel, but

>unfortunately my panel is not modular, so I'm stuck with it until a

>major re-fit. At that time I'll modify it to be modular.

>Fortunately I don't care much about new stuff since my needs are

>really simple. (VFR + basic GPS + music. And I mostly care about

>the music. TGFIpod.)

>Guy Buchanan

>San Diego, CA

>K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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